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All Right Already (That's funny, you don't look neoconservative.)
National Review ^ | September 15, 2003 | David Frum

Posted on 09/04/2003 8:56:01 AM PDT by quidnunc

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Are We All Neocons Now?

In the most recent Commentary, Josh Muravchik writes of "The Neoconservative Cabal" which those opposed to Bush administration's security and defense policy have suddenly discovered are directing things. Its evil geniuses are supposed to be, of all people, Leo Strauss and Leon Trotsky, and it is often hinted with more or less subtlety that its leaders are predominantly Jewish. Muravchik draws a parallel with the kinds of things that the Nazis were saying about Jewish Communists in the 1930s, which perhaps makes the idea of Trotsky as intellectual godfather just a little bit less absurd.

It would probably be going too far to call Maureen Dowd anti-Semitic, but it's pretty clear how easily her congenital anti-Bushism has been seduced by the sinister-sounding notion of the neocon. "Let others fight over whether the war in Iraq was a neocon vigilante action disrupting diplomacy," she writes with feigned insouciance. "The neocons have moved on to a vigilante action to occupy diplomacy." By this she means that "the audacious ones" are about to give Colin Powell the push from the State Department, even though George W. Bush may not know it yet, since "the president is not always privy to the start of a grandiose neocon scheme." And "when the neocons want something done, they'll get it done, no matter what Mr. Bush thinks."

Do tell! As usual, it is pointless to ask how she knows this since, like everything else she writes about the administration, it is the creation of her own endless mythologizing of what she calls "the Bushies" and not any special knowledge unavailable to anyone who reads the papers. The dull-witted frat-boy who is a mere tool of clever, scheming "neocons" fits perfectly with that mythology, which is reason enough for her to believe it. With such toxic speculation in the background, it is hard to read her subsequent description of "the neocon blueprint for world domination" as being entirely ironic.

Are the otherwise unnamed neocons the same as the "Iraq hawks" — Condoleezza Rice, Paul Wolfowitz and Newt Gingrich — who, she says, are ready to move up if the neocon plot to dump Powell is successful? The whole thing would be baffling but for number six in the list of eight parallels she points to between the dump Powell campaign and "the neocons' pre-emptive strike on Iraq," which is: "Make sure it's good for Ariel Sharon." Maybe it wouldn't be going too far to call Miss Dowd an anti-Semite after all. Certainly Pat Buchanan was branded as one for criticizing what he called Israel's "amen corner" in the Pentagon and the State Department, and it's hard to see how he can be anti-Semitic while she isn't.

In ridiculing the neocon conspiracy theorists, Muravchik doesn't mention the right-wing counterparts to lefties like Michael Lind and Elizabeth Drew. For among "paleo-conservatives" such as the Buchananites of The American Conservative or the Chronicles crowd in Rockford, Illinois, the word "neocon" is pronounced with every bit as much of a sneer as it is by Maureen Dowd or others on the left. As is often the case when politicians or political tendencies are being vehemently attacked from both sides simultaneously, one's first instinct is to assume that they must be doing something right.

At any rate, the so-called "godfather" of the neocons, Irving Kristol, has taken the opportunity to come forward and proudly claim the title so often used as an insulting epithet. In doing so, he found it necessary to acknowledge that he himself was wrong when he wrote some years ago that the prefix "neo" no longer added anything to "conservative." It turns out that it still does. Writing in the Weekly Standard, he provocatively claims that "neoconservative policies, reaching out beyond the traditional political and financial base, have helped make the very idea of political conservatism more acceptable to a majority of American voters."

In fact, "Neoconservatism is the first variant of American conservatism in the past century that is in the 'American grain.' It is hopeful, not lugubrious; forward-looking, not nostalgic; and its general tone is cheerful, not grim or dyspeptic." He identifies as neoconservative policies a priority given to economic growth, but more of a concern with the vulgarization of the culture than would be congenial to libertarians. They share traditional conservatives' concern for national sovereignty and defense, and their suspicion of international institutions, but do not share their fear of the enlarged welfare state. Above all, they are to be recognized by their commitment to an expansive view of the national interest.

"A smaller nation might appropriately feel that its national interest begins and ends at its borders, so that its foreign policy is almost always in a defensive mode. A larger nation has more extensive interests.… Barring extraordinary events, the United States will always feel obliged to defend, if possible, a democratic nation under attack from nondemocratic forces, external or internal. That is why it was in our national interest to come to the defense of France and Britain in World War II. That is why we feel it necessary to defend Israel today, when its survival is threatened. No complicated geopolitical calculations of national interest are necessary." Even Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson can be gathered into the neoconservative fold on this definition.

Are we all neocons now? I take it that the chief result of Mr. Kristol's manifesto will be to put the backs up of the formerly designated paleocons. They are right to be cross. His point is really that conservatives tout court are faced with a choice between marching under the neocon banner or joining the increasingly marginalized rag-tag band who look to Pat Buchanan or Thomas Fleming or Lew Rockwell for leadership, or who want to re-fight the Civil War. Such are now beyond the paleo, and the only place that respectable conservatives, wishing to avoid the taint of racism or anti-Semitism or nativism or protectionism, have to go is to the neocons. If he's wrong, it's now up to the respectable paleos, if there are any, to say how.

James Bowman is a resident scholar at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, media essayist for the New Criterion, and The American Spectator's movie critic.

(James Bowman in The American Prowler, September 2, 2003)
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1 posted on 09/04/2003 8:56:02 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I thought the disgraced speechwriter turned his back on us?





Quoting Bowman is an interesting move by you; while assuredly a neoconservative, he pointed out right after the war started that Saddam probably lied about possessing WMDs. Bowmans is basically conceding with this column that the cause belli of the war was BS, and the intellectual movement that supported it had the best of intentions so it does not matter.


Bowman remains my favorite movie critic, but he is losing it.

2 posted on 09/04/2003 9:03:47 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: quidnunc
The leftists are as hysterically shrill in denunciating "neocons" as are the "paleocons".
3 posted on 09/04/2003 9:05:49 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: quidnunc
A neoconservative was a former liberal or leftist,

That would be me,

typically from a poor background,

oh yeah,

typically Catholic or Jewish,

well, no, but,

who had been driven rightward by the intellectual and moral implosion of liberalism in the 1960s.

Or by the universities of the 1990s,

They were often the children of immigrants.

Grandma's folks were English, does that count?

As they saw it, the difference between America and Europe was the difference between life and death.

Damn straight.

They began as Democrats, but as the Democrats turned against American exceptionalism, so they turned against the Democrats.

Yeah!

Today, two years after 9/11, the term “neocon” gets applied to pretty much anyone who believes in the fundamental goodness of America and the rightness of the war.

That would be me.

If you refuse to hear excuses for Islamic terrorism;

Me...

if you want to hunt down America’s enemies wherever they lurk:

...me...

if you care more about American security than you do about the Security Council

Me!

— well then, the BBC and Pat Buchanan and Bill Moyers all have the same epithet for you.

So be it! I am neocon, hear me roar!

4 posted on 09/04/2003 9:12:18 AM PDT by wizardoz (Paranoia. It's what's for dinner.)
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To: wizardoz
wizardoz wrote: I am neocon, hear me roar!

And the paleocons, hear them whine.

5 posted on 09/04/2003 9:17:48 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
This article indicates that the neo-cons are losing whatever little grip on reality that they ever had. First he tells an old, long, and not-funny joke to create an implication of anti-semitism. Frum should get it clear in his own mind that we don't hate him because he's Jewish, we hate him because he's a warmonger from a foreign country and he's totally bereft of scruples.

Then he moves on to his attack on paleo-cons. He never would have written this article if it were true that they are irrelevant as he asserts. It's clear that they are scoring points, or he wouldn't be pulling out his usual bag of dirty tricks to use against them.

C'mon Frum, show us the WMD's. Until then, shut up.
6 posted on 09/04/2003 9:24:50 AM PDT by Maximilian
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To: quidnunc

"It's called THE conservative movement"

7 posted on 09/04/2003 9:30:21 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: Maximilian
C'mon Frum, show us the WMD's.

I wasn't aware that Canada had them.

8 posted on 09/04/2003 9:33:13 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (+ Vive Jesus! (Live Jesus!) +)
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To: wizardoz
Me too,

Children of immigrants, working class family.

Catholic

Disgusted by liberal University in the 90's.

If you refuse to hear excuses for Islamic terrorism;

if you want to hunt down America’s enemies wherever they lurk:

if you care more about American security than you do about the Security Council

Me Too!




9 posted on 09/04/2003 9:34:27 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: quidnunc
"His point is really that conservatives tout court are faced with a choice between marching under the neocon banner or joining the increasingly marginalized rag-tag band who look to Pat Buchanan or Thomas Fleming or Lew Rockwell for leadership, or who want to re-fight the Civil War."
I don't think this is Kristol-the-elder's point at all; it may have been what he believed back when he said that 'neo' no longer adds anything to 'conservative'. His more recent arguments state the opposite; that neoconservatism is distinct and different from traditional conservatism. The primary differences can be found in this passage:
"In fact, "Neoconservatism is the first variant of American conservatism in the past century that is in the 'American grain.' It is hopeful, not lugubrious; forward-looking, not nostalgic; and its general tone is cheerful, not grim or dyspeptic." He identifies as neoconservative policies a priority given to economic growth, but more of a concern with the vulgarization of the culture than would be congenial to libertarians. They share traditional conservatives' concern for national sovereignty and defense, and their suspicion of international institutions, but do not share their fear of the enlarged welfare state. Above all, they are to be recognized by their commitment to an expansive view of the national interest."
The enlarged welfare state is still a major concern of traditional conservatives. Also, traditional conservatives understand that, in a globalized world, the national interest must be expanded but differ from the true neoconservatives over exactly how much it must be expanded. Because these differences exist, it is not correct to say that traditional conservatives face a choice between marching under the neoconservative banner or joining with the paleoconservatives. Traditional conservatives can exist, and are existing, under their own banner. The choice between joining those who believe in an expansive welfare state and joining those who favor isolationism is a false choice, and rejecting the former does not imply an acceptance of the latter, nor does it enjoin the taint of antisemitism or racism.
10 posted on 09/04/2003 9:44:24 AM PDT by William McKinley (http://williammckinley.blogspot.com - Presidential Survivor- the first loser's bracket poll is up!)
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To: JohnGalt
I take it you are aware that the person you chose to honor with your screen name was far more "neo-conservative" than anyone in the Bush administration.

Are you guys inconsistent on purpose?

11 posted on 09/04/2003 9:48:09 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (CAVEAT DICTATOR . AMERICA ANTE PORTAS)
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To: Smile-n-Win
(Click on my screen name.)

Galt is simply an anti-hero who advocated secession, a return to the gold standard, and radical localism. Rand, try as she might, is not allowed to hang all of that statist Randian baggage on her character.

12 posted on 09/04/2003 9:53:16 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: JohnGalt; quidnunc
I see Johnny one-note is back.
13 posted on 09/04/2003 10:09:54 AM PDT by sauropod ("How do you know Sheila Jackson Lee's a queen?" "Because she doesn't sit with the little people")
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To: Maximilian
Word games. Everything has shifted to the left.

The Democrat party has morphed into a full blown Socialist party, they are socialists and should call themselves that.

The Republican party has morphed into the party of the neocons, not true conservatives, more equivalent to the old Democrats.

True conservatives (paleos?)do not have any representation anymore, certainly not the Republican party.

I am not a libertarian, by the way, nor will I ever be.
14 posted on 09/04/2003 10:11:53 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: JohnGalt
So do I understand correctly that you love reading novels whose characters you consider "anti-heroes" ? Isn't that a bit like purposely listening to music you find boring, or like preferring to eat food that tastes bad?
15 posted on 09/04/2003 10:16:33 AM PDT by Smile-n-Win (CAVEAT DICTATOR . AMERICA ANTE PORTAS)
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To: sauropod
Please, if the Canadian expatriate keeps writing about us inconsequential folks, whom he turned his back on, NR should cease paying for these columns, no?
16 posted on 09/04/2003 10:17:19 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: JohnGalt
Was unaware he had pulled a Petah Jennings. Thanks for the head's up.

BTW, I was referring to quid.

17 posted on 09/04/2003 10:20:27 AM PDT by sauropod ("How do you know Sheila Jackson Lee's a queen?" "Because she doesn't sit with the little people")
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To: Smile-n-Win
I think you need to study up on what an anti-hero is in literature. On the other hand, if you watched Cool Hand Luke and thought the warden was the hero, that would explain a lot of things.

Clearly the culture has a love for anti-heros. Of course, that would be American culture which I should have prefaced since we are replying on a Canadaian expatriate's article.
18 posted on 09/04/2003 10:21:02 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
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To: sasportas
True conservatives (paleos?)do not have any representation anymore, certainly not the Republican party.

Well put.

I am not a libertarian, by the way, nor will I ever be.

Agreed. Libertarians like Lew Rockwell are useful in exposing the lies of the neo-conservatives, but they do not represent a viable alternative. I'll stand with Pat Buchanan, but as a thinker, not a politician. He needs to find a real politician who will run on a true conservative platform.

20 posted on 09/04/2003 10:25:24 AM PDT by Maximilian
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