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Bush must court veterans to get their support in 2004
The Kansas City Star ^ | 9/1/2003 | DAVID GOLDSTEIN

Posted on 09/01/2003 9:23:43 AM PDT by tullycraft

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To: William Creel
This is just a Democratic spin piece urge Bush to waste even more of our money.

You are soooo right. The department of veterans affairs is wasting money in the hundreds of millions every year to provide bonuses and what not to VA employees. Meanwhile, they can't staff enough doctors in some areas to treat veterans with life threating medical conditions. This problem was being addressed by American Legion activism until early this year. Then there was a change in focus at the top.

BTW the largest and most influential veterans organization in the U.S.

That changed with the election of the new national commander. His background is union organizing so naturally he gravitates towards democrats, and has been seen in numerous photo opp's with Hilda Beast, Dashole, and the rest of the socialist medicine machine. The democraps are reaching out for votes and support from this group.

Don't be fooled by the scripted PR. Grassroots Legion and VFW members will often tell you they think for themselves, and it is a bunch of crap.

Veterans in general dispise BJ clinton, and the democraps are Clinton. There is also a large number of gun owning veterans out there. Democraps don't have the veterans vote and won't for another generation due to eight years of Clinton.

42 posted on 09/01/2003 11:15:20 AM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: gatorbait
"How about the drunks and druggies?"

You know, that's a hard question.
So many of them are both combat disabled and addicted.
I don't make any distinction. I didn't walk in their shoes.
I treat all the vets with the respect they deserve.

43 posted on 09/01/2003 11:16:39 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Redwood71
Good sit on your ass and not vote or vote for dean or hillery and then bitch for eight more yrs while getting everything cut. And yes I am a member of the VFW and American Legion and yes I am in the VA medical system and get my meds thru the VA.Bush has increases the Military by I Think 38% sincce taking office. The pot is only so big.When the economy improves and the budget for the wars (you do know the fights were in) costing billions are cut He will do something for the medical costs. People sound like a bunch wining ass demmocommies with their hand out singing gimmi gimmi gimmi.
44 posted on 09/01/2003 11:22:53 AM PDT by cksharks
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Hi, HC!
So darn good to see ya!

I can't speak for the feelings of vets like you and I who just served our time and got out.
I, too, shudder to think what the last three years would have been under AlGore.

All I can report is what the disabled vets tell me.
They still don't have proper medical care, and the wait to see a doctor is forever.
I took a box of playing cards down to the Veteran's Hospital here in Houston - 320 decks - along with a bunch of baseball caps and paper back books.
They don't have the amenities like this unless someone donates them.

I sat and talked with several vets who use the hospital facilities in San Antonio the night of my sis's memorial services.
They all told the same story:
It's better than it was under Clinton, but it's still a struggle to get medical attention.
I know it sounds like a hearts and flowers story to remind everyone about our vets lying in hospitals all over this country, but before anyone starts playing the little violin, check and see how many are in the Spinal Ward of the Audie Murphy Hospital in San Antonio.
They deserve whatever they need.

46 posted on 09/01/2003 11:29:12 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: tullycraft
Time for some facts on Bush and VA spending:

Bush proposes a 7.7% increase in VA Budget for FY 04

Source: Click Here

The declining population of veterans ultimately will mean that fewer veterans will seek medical care and monthly disability benefits. However, on the horizon, there will be increased usage of some VA benefits and services, as veterans age and more women draw on them. For FY'03, the Administration's budget requests $28 billion for the VA Medical Care program, an increase of $2.7 billion.

A dramatic increase is proposed for the VA Medical and Prosthetic Research Business Line, which focuses on areas particularly relevant to the veteran population-aging, chronic disease, mental illness, substance abuse, military occupations, and environmental exposure. The FY'04 budget requests a total of $822 million, an increase of $28 million from FY'03.

Source: Click here

47 posted on 09/01/2003 11:35:02 AM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: tullycraft
Well, this veteran will support Dubya for '04.


48 posted on 09/01/2003 11:37:21 AM PDT by rdb3 (They've read all the books but they can't find the answers...)
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VA Experiences a ‘Perfect Storm’

San Antonio, Aug. 26, 2003--VA Secretary Anthony Principi told attendees today that "a perfect storm" is brewing in his department as more and more veterans use VA’s massive health care system. He noted that the number of users has jumped from 2.9 million a few years ago to nearly 5 million currently. The VFW life member said VA's 2004 budget has grown from $48 billion to $64 billion—which is larger than Great Britain’s total defense budget and represents a 32% increase.

Principi addressed four major points:

Drug Prescriptions: The new VA policy of accepting prescriptions written by private physicians will benefit some 200,000 veterans who enrolled on or before July 25 and were waiting 30 days for an appointment. This new test program allows vets to receive drugs from VA mail-out pharmacies even when prescribed by private doctors.

Capital Asset Realignment for Enhanced Services (CARES): CARES is a plan to shift resources where they are needed most. For instance, VA is wasting $1 million a day on inefficient buildings. A panel is currently holding hearings relating to CARES.

Disability Compensation: Backlogged claims went from 432,000 to 270,000; the average time to decide a claim has decreased from 233 days a year ago to 160 days.

VA Cemeteries: VA will open six new national cemeteries by 2006 because approximately 1,800 veterans die each day.

Read the rest here

49 posted on 09/01/2003 11:41:12 AM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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To: TexasCowboy
They deserve whatever they need.

100% agreement .... even with a marine!

50 posted on 09/01/2003 11:42:58 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: tullycraft
"...to allow veterans with a disability related to their service to collect both their military pension and their disability compensation. Currently the disability payment is deducted from their pension."

But not to ALL other federal retirees...which are mostly pencil pushing beaurocrats who fell down some stairs or have carpal tunnel whatever. Now tell me that's fair.

$15,000,000,000 to the African AIDS cesspool is just peachy, also.

51 posted on 09/01/2003 11:54:13 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: mahinahoku
"Look around the park near you- how many people sleeping there at night served their country? I don't know about where you live but where I live it's completely out of hand"

Well , not that many are vets,something like 1.25 % ,if that.Sort of like the huge number of Vet criminals and/or suicides,it's a cooked up statistic.ALL are hop head screw ups who are on the street because they choose to be or are there because some do gooder cared about their "rights"
Do you have clue one about depleted uranium and what a miniscule amount there actually is? Sounds like you are into junk science and Oprahized caring.

I'll agree with you the derelict problem is out of hand, go talk to the ACLU about that one or you local PETA group or any one of the social responsible organizations..

Outside that, no, I don't think the Military nor the VA nor you OR I are in anyway responsible for these self inflicted wounds.
52 posted on 09/01/2003 12:34:05 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: TexasCowboy
I treat all the vets with the respect they deserve.

Good to hear that .Now, investigate it further.I think you'll be surprised. Most disabled vets are not addicts, nor are they desitute nor are they cast aside. Most lead productive and important lives, even Max Clelland was semi productive.
53 posted on 09/01/2003 12:37:54 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: gatorbait
"I think you'll be surprised."

No, I wouldn't be surprised.
A lot of the salesmen who call on me are vets who have suffered some wound or other in combat.
They work everyday, have a wife and kids and enjoy grilling a steak on Saturday night.

The ones to which I was referring are the ones in the VA hospitals, and I've done a lot of counselling in VA hospitals.
I didn't disparage them because they were there trying to dry out or come down from a high.
I never knew what brought them to that place in their lives, and it didn't matter.
They needed help, and I did what I could.

54 posted on 09/01/2003 12:55:30 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
They needed help, and I did what I could

Hooray for you. Now, let's say this ,again. Combat wounded, service connected, no sweat.Addiction,well,how many sob stories did you hear?

Sorry, I have little regard for the hopheads.
56 posted on 09/01/2003 1:55:35 PM PDT by gatorbait
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To: gatorbait
"how many sob stories did you hear?"

If you had ever done any of this type counselling, you would know that the pity pot is turned upside down when you begin the conversation.
It doesn't matter how they got to where they are.
It only matters where they want to go with their lives.

The fact remains that they are a human being and a veteran who has served their country.
If they can get clean and sober, they can remember where they came from, but I'm never interested in that.
That is made clear from the very beginning.

57 posted on 09/01/2003 2:08:20 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: cksharks
I hope you aren't one of the people that buys this economy problem. The market has been at 9000 or higher for a long time. And never below 8000, I believe, since Bush took office. That is a perception.

My problem with the president and the health care headache is covered in this article:
http://www.thecarolinachannel.com/helenthomas/1873884/detail.html

He made committments to us to get the vote in 2000. He didn't even start to cover those commitments. In the meantime he has levied aid to so many countries I lost count. When are we going to let the UN take care of some third world country and he follow through on his promises to help the military health care system? In the meantime, we can watch VA hospitals invite members that gave more than their share, to be put out on the street. You're absolutely correct, I am a wining (whining) ass with my hand out singing gimmi gimmi gimmi. I want what was promised. In this country it is called a contract. The only problem is, I can't sue them for it and neither can the poor turned out military members that get put out on the street because of a 1950's congressional act. And with the current cloud on the horizon, like Iran, North Korea, Africa, and Israel, I do not forsee any break in the action for him to help those that are in pieces for this country until after all the pie, as you call it, is eaten. And I do agree with you, the bottom line is the bottom line.

Red
58 posted on 09/01/2003 4:39:11 PM PDT by Redwood71
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