New Zealand Gets Super Stryker

StrategyPage.com ^ | August 31, 2001 | Bay & Dunnigan

[shaggy eel]

BTTT

[Brian Allen]

My Laissez-Faire Capitalis's contribution to Bumper Sticker Art? [And; after God, Family, FRiends and my America; my driving pasions]

MAKE LOVE AND MONEY!

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TAXATION IS THEFT!

[Travis McGee]

I know about the kiwi SAS, what's about the heavily armed citizen militia? Can you fill me in please, it has excaped my knowledge base.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

Lease the Lynx. It is the same type as the Jervis Bay and the Joint Venture Theater Support Vessel

[Brian Allen]

<< ... what's about the heavily-armed citizen militia? >>

Wishful thinking.

As you know from your encounters with and/or other knowledge of that sad contry's SAS -- and its proud Military Tradition -- New Zealanders don't lack balls, only muskets.

And -- now that, shaggy excepted, every New Zealander with a brain has become either an American or and Australian -- bloody leaders.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

Stryker's Mobile Gun System is a 105mm. It is having a lot of problems.

[Travis McGee]

Sad to see.

[shaggy eel]

,,, if we've finally arrived at bumper stickers, my tag line is one that I'm proud to say is an eel original...

[KiaKaha]

Well in NZ there is no Militia, but there is 1,000,000 firearms in private ownership and lots of “good keen men”

[Brian Allen]

Barry Crump, the bloke who wrote A Good Keen Man used to work at the Rabbit Board a few hundred yards from where I lived when he wrote it.

A militia, in the context of the American Constitution, is just that: A Few Good Keen [Privately] Armed Men!

Kia Ora, KiaKaha

[jriemer]

True, not every Kiwi is / was a sheep. That nation provided some of the toughest fighters and coaster watchers were Kiwis during WWII; however, NZ's left has left their military to rot in the sun.

The F-16 A/B models the RNZAF declined to purchase wasn't even nightvision capable. Again, my point about strategic vision. You would think that a pilot who has a 50/50 chance of flying at night would appreciate nightvision...

That goes for the RNZAF pilots who will be hauling humanitarian crap to God-knows-where or is the RNZAF a day-ops only air force? [/sarcasm]

[PsyOp]

It's perfect for them since they don't fight.

[shaggy eel]

A Few Good Keen [Privately] Armed Men!

,,, now, there's an idea.

[archy]

If you think peacekeeping and military operations other than war and low intensity conflict is all we are ever going to be faced with, you like wheels. If you look at Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian and other developments in Main Battle Tanks, and then you look at how many ragtag and bobtailed outfits have old Soviet tanks, the oldest and sorriest of which can eat a Stryker's lunch, you like tracks.

Unless the real idea is to use the Strykers for domestic purposes. In that event, minimal RPG protection is less important [unless Wal-Mart gets a shipment in from China in the near future!] and the .50/ Mk19 should be sufficient for crowd control and for keeping order in the Detention Camps, as per the 40mm Mk19 the FBI deployed at their WACO churchburning.

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[archy]

A militia, in the context of the American Constitution, is just that: A Few Good Keen [Privately] Armed Men!

You DID note the road tax license plate on the vehicle pictured in #6, didn't you?

Kia Ora, KiaKaha

Ka mate! Ka mate! Ka ora! Ka ora!

-archy-/-

[shaggy eel]

You DID note the road tax license plate on the vehicle pictured in #6, didn't you?

,,, a number of administratve aspects will undergo change when the revolt commemces [LOL].

[Cannoneer No. 4]

NZLAV with 25mm gun turret

The New Zealand army is buying 105 LAVs (Light Armored Vehicles) from General Dynamics Land Systems. This wheeled armored vehicle is based on the Piranha III LAV long used by the U.S. Marines, and later adopted by the US Army as the Stryker. This vehicle was designed Mowag of Switzerland, a company now owned by General Dynamics. In some ways the New Zealand LAV is an improvement on the Stryker LAV, with many small, but important, improvements. All 105 of the New Zealand vehicles will have a turret with a 25mm automatic cannon and have room in the back for ten troops. Seven LAVs will be equipped for engineer work and three used as recovery vehicles. The 14 ton, 8x8 vehicle has a maximum road speed of 100 kilometers an hour.

The turret is made in Australia in a General Dynamics/General Motors plant near Adelaide.

[New Zealander]

The F-16 A/B models the RNZAF declined to purchase wasn't even nightvision capable. Again, my point about strategic vision. You would think that a pilot who has a 50/50 chance of flying at night would appreciate nightvision...

Minor point - the RNZAF did not decline the F-16s - they were very keen for them for their robust airframes. Avionics were to be transferred from the expiring A-4s - the 'lectrics being fairly sophisticated (the typical joke was that they were like a 1950s Morrie Minor, with an awesome sounds system).

[New Zealander]

Cheers for that. What seems to be the only good idea that occurred during the tendering process was that fire support and troop transport was to be combined in one vehicle - hence the 25mm. The old doctrine relied on the Scorpion recon tank in combination with the M-113 - but the Scorp's been out of service for some time.

The best idea that never happened during the tender was to scrap the whole idea of a new purchase and go the way the Aussies did - upgrade the M-113 as an interim measure, until a suitable vehicle was built (i.e. with tracks!)

[jriemer]

Minor point - the RNZAF did not decline the F-16s - they were very keen for them for their robust airframes. Avionics were to be transferred from the expiring A-4s - the 'lectrics being fairly sophisticated (the typical joke was that they were like a 1950s Morrie Minor, with an awesome sounds system)

Let me get this straight. They were going to transfer the A4's AV package to the F16 (or the other way 'round)? I would think that the export package that came with even a F16A Block1 would be better off than what was still in the A4s. Those systems must be running off vacuum tubes 8^)

Note to self: Try not to post before being fully awake next time.