Land Rights Advocates Allege Bush Administration Betrayal

FOX News via SOUNDOFF ^ | 08-30-03- | By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos

[gulfcoast6]

If so, elect a democract as president and see him take all the other lands away. Sheesh.

[Pontiac]

If Bush was interested he could undo them with the stroke of a pen.

I am not familiar with the regulations of the Antiquities Act, are you?

How easy is it to un-designate a National Monument? My guess is that it would take an Act of Congress

I am not defending President Bush but only attempting to explain his actions as I see them.

[philman_36]

It is so funny watching you knee jerkers in action.
It is so funny watching you brown nosers in action too.

See how easy that game is to play?

[G.Mason]

"Bush will lose the next election. Don't attack the messenger. He just cant deliver as promised. To paraphrase with a twist. If the people are given a choice between a Democrat and a Republican acting like a Democrat, the people will always pick the real thing. How sad and I just know he has the potential to be great."

Now that you've explained that, I will certainly vote for whom ever is the democratic socialist presidential candidate.

I mean, why fool around with wanna be's.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

He designated the monuments through executive order.
They could be undesignated the same way.

The group is trying to use the legal process to undo the presidential orders of Clinton.

The administration is fighting them and defending the Clinton land grabs.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Clinton designated with order.
Bush could undesignate.

[Pontiac]

He designated the monuments through executive order. They could be undesignated the same way.

If there is law that specifies the way in which land designated as a National Monument is returned to its former status as Federal Range Land (or what ever), the President would be required to follow that procedure.

Question: Has a National Monument ever been un-designated? If it has I have never heard of it.

[philman_36]

He designated the monuments through executive order.
Several means were used...
President Makes Monumental Decision
Proving the old adage that the pen (and the 1906 Antiquities Act) are mightier than the Republican sword, on January 11th of 2000, President Clinton created three new national monuments in Arizona and California and expanded another. In his proclamation, which was issued exactly 92 years to the day that President Teddy Roosevelt designated the Grand Canyon as one of the first national monuments, Clinton stated, "Ten thousand or twenty thousand years from now, if the good Lord lets us all survive as a human race, no one will remember who set aside this land on this day. But the children will still enjoy it."
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE GRAND STAIRCASE-ESCALANTE NATIONAL MONUMENT
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CANYONS OF THE ANCIENTS NATIONAL MONUMENT
By EO...
President Clinton Unveils New Plan to Protect America’s Ocean Wildlife Orders Creation of National System of Marine Protected Areas
The Executive Order calls for each federal agency with management authority in marine waters–such as the Departments of Commerce and the Interior–to establish new MPAs that contribute to a scientifically based, comprehensive national system of MPAs representing the diversity of ecosystems in US waters.

There is a whole lot more out there...and it wasn't all by EO.

[philman_36]

Another proclamation...Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument
And some more...Carrizo Plain National Monument
Designated by Presidential Proclamation in January, 2001.
California Coastal National Monument
Designated by Presidential Proclamation on January 11, 2000...
Get my drift?

[philman_36]

http://clinton5.nara.gov/library/hot_releases/
Proclamation: Establishment of the Virgin Islands Coral Reef National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Upper Missouri River Breaks National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Pompeys Pillar National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Sonoran Desert National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Minidoka Internment National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Kasha-Katuwe Tent Rocks National Monument
Proclamation: Establishment of the Carrizo Plain National Monument
Proclamation: Boundary Enlargement and Modifications of the Buck Island Reef National Monument

[c-b 1]

President Bush, I would like to know the answer to this one.

It is really pretty simple, land owned by the government, is collateral on the National Debt. The debt has increased greatly under Bush, therfore the amount of collateral will have to be increased.

None of the land confiscated under the Clinton Administratition is going to be returned to states, or private ownership, in fact, more land will have to be confiscated to protect the investment of the lendor, (the Federal Reserve Bank).

[philman_36]

Proclamation 7402-Establishment of the Governors Island National Monument
Now, The American Heritage Rivers was done through Executive Order 13061 which also hazards property owners.
So much more...Carry on. I'm done.

[AAABEST]

Hey don't blame me. I didn't vote for either Clinton or the person who helped Clinton into office in the first place, Perot.But you would rather go on your rants.....

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

It is so funny watching you brown nosers in action too.

LOL! I liked that one.

If I disagree with my mother on one issue, does that mean I hate her?

It's funny how none of us is supposed to disagree with George W. Bush on anything.

Of course George W. Bush is better than Al Gore but that doesn't give "W" the status of a god. My guess is Laura Bush chews his ass out on several matters on a regular basis. (Isn't that what a wife is supposed to do?)

Most guys don't even want their best friends to kick them in the balls.

(Hey, "W," we didn't elect you to kick us in the balls!)

[freekitty]

Thanks for the info.

[marsh2]

The Cascade Siskiyou Ecological Emphasis Area was declared in Clinton's last days right over the border from my district in southern Oregon. http://www.or.blm.gov/CSNM/archive_notice_of_intent.htm

Much of the area is private land. Rules are the people can stay until they go to sell, then they have to sell to the government.

The local Oregon county held hearings and the majority of people did not want the monument. There was a vocal minority of leftists from Ashland who favoured it. They call it the "staging area for the Ark" because of its alleged bio-diversity.

They also tried to fold in my area by including a big mass of private land around the Horseshoe Ranch - a deer reserve co-managed between the BLM and CA DFG. They have tried all sorts of sneaky underhanded things to create a plan to target acquisition of more land east of the I-5 corridor from the border to the Klamath River. Locals and our Board of Supervisors vehemently oppose this.

The newest phase is the acquisition of a corridor of land from Copco Lake up into Oregon at J.C. Boyle dam from PacifiCorps. Cooincidentally, the BLM has PacifiCorps in a vise grip over the relicensing of its 6 dams on the Klamath. The BLM wants to destroy white water rafting, close motorized access, eliminate grazing, eliminating peaking power generation at Copco dam and change the flows. The Board of Supervisors opposes this proposal.

The BLM has been extremely arrogant and underhanded in its continuing push to federalize more lands across the top of the state. It consistently goes against the loud and vocal opposition of local people and seems to march to an urban environmental agenda. About 62% of the county is already managed by the feds.

We are seeing an increasing pressure to set aside land and water use in our mid-Klamath area as a mitigation for the Klamath Project.

[dixie sass]

If I remember correctly once an Executive Order becomes law, it takes more than a stroke of a pen to rescind it.

[farmfriend]

Rights, farms, environment ping.

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[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[countrydummy]

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