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Girls get extra school help while boys get Ritalin
USA Today/Yahoo ^ | 8/29/03 | USA Today - Staff

Posted on 08/29/2003 3:09:56 PM PDT by Pro-Bush

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To: afraidfortherepublic
His Italian mom told him that when someone jumped him and started knocking him around to scramble to get on top and then bleed all over the attacker. She said it was an old Sicilian trick! It worked too. He tried it on one guy and sent him home covered in blood. After that they pretty much left him alone.

Mothers used to know how to raise boys, now they want to make them girls

81 posted on 08/29/2003 6:10:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: lelio
How many kids are on the honor roll? If the honor roll is made up of the top 15% of the students and there's 200 kids in the class that's 30 kids. The difference between a 50/50 split and 80/20 is 15 students vs 6. So just 9 honor roll gender defections have to occur, or around 5% of the school's population.

You need to look at the average. Any school can be an abberation. However, the totality should be near 50 50.
In fact, I would argue that there should be more boys than girls in the honor roll or honors classes.
Boys and girls have teh same average IQ. However, boys have a less pronounced center at 100. Boys are more likely to be outside of the standard range of 85-115 than girls. There are more boys with IQ's above 115 than girls, just as there are more retarded boys
In the past and today, boys are more likely than girls to be in special ed. However, the percentage of boys in honors classes is declining far below 50%.
There are three possible explanations for this.
1. Boys born in the last 17 years are less intelligent than they used to be.
2. Boys are subject to performance hindering facts such as drugs and bias.
3. The structure of education has turned against boys.
I agrue 2 and 3.

If there's a general decline I'll say the parents have a beef. But traditionally girls have matured earlier and get better grades. Its just a fact of life.
Girls are more studeous than boys. However, they tend not to test as well. Boys are more boistrous.

82 posted on 08/29/2003 6:30:49 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: thoughtomator
That is exactly what they do. Of the 10 recent girl graduates I know 6 were Soc/Psych graduates, and 3 were Ed majors. The other one majored in Telecommunications.
83 posted on 08/29/2003 7:22:37 PM PDT by redangus
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To: Alberta's Child
All other things being equal, I will hire a person with a GPA of 2.8 before I ever hire someone with a 4.0.

Ditto that.

84 posted on 08/29/2003 7:39:43 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Judge Moore for SCOTUS)
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To: Pro-Bush
Beginning in the early 1990s, groups such as the American Association of University Women performed an important service by alerting the public to an educational failing. Their persistence helped convince educators that schools were ignoring important problems plaguing girls, such as the loss of self-esteem among middle school girls who had been successful students throughout elementary school.

The AAUW feminist advocacy group has performed an *abysmal* "service" of creating a biased and uneven playing field in college admissions, in the classroom, by urging and getting funding for many female-only and female-favored programs. And while such groups have hounded out of existince male-only institutions (like VMI), female only institutions, classes and scholarships have continued if not grown. The AAUW approves of this double-standard.

The result of this treating of boys as of less importance than girls is quite predictable. Most college students are now women. Boys are not failing academically, the education system and feminism has failed men.

85 posted on 08/29/2003 7:50:02 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: thoughtomator
even us old lecherous fogeys will be attractive. They'll come looking for us.

But remember they these women will have supped at the mother's milk of feminism all their lives.

86 posted on 08/29/2003 7:52:50 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: netmilsmom
That is SO tragic.

Our son is in 1st grade, he skipped kindergarten, seems ready for it, he can already read well, write okay and do basic math.

The idea of medicating a child unnecessarily disgusts me.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

87 posted on 08/29/2003 7:54:44 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Alberta's Child
Well, fwiw, some of the worst performing CEOs are *women*.

Ask Marce Fuller (Mirant).
(And that HP CEO should be canned too.)
88 posted on 08/29/2003 7:56:19 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: annyokie
"More recess time would solve that Ritalin issue. Of course you can't play dodge-ball in gym anymore and running around the playground is considered dangerous.

Interesting comment.

Are we the only ones that have noticed that recess for elementary school is far shorter and much more restricted than it used to be? Any one else care to comment?

89 posted on 08/29/2003 7:56:23 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: cookcounty
I don't know that we are the only ones to notice, but recess is WAAAAAAAY contracted from what I remember as a kid.

Boys need to rough and tumble and scream and run around like Indians, as my dear departed Grandma used to say. I noticed the ratcheting up in Ritalin prescriptions right on the heels of less recess time.
90 posted on 08/29/2003 8:02:32 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: bulldogs
Right. On the one hand, you have the man-hating feminist-types who have inculcated into the schools the demonization of male 'virtues' of bravery, courage, competitiveness. you can bet some woman or some totally castrated male decided having winners and losers was a 'problem', etc. Then you have an environment that caters to the girls and the feminized styles of learning.

On the other hand, you have the culture preaching careerism for women and downgrading the importance of the male as breadwinner; it further engages in favoritism against the male in not just educational admittances but in govt hiring etc.

Gov Howard Dean was thrilled to say more than half his administration in Vermont was women ... so either he had a shortage of male candidates or he was discriminating against men. I'd surmise the latter. Curious how a man would celebrate discrimination against men.
91 posted on 08/29/2003 8:07:11 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: rmlew
"Boys and girls have teh same average IQ. However, boys have a less pronounced center at 100. Boys are more likely to be outside of the standard range of 85-115 than girls. There are more boys with IQ's above 115 than girls, just as there are more retarded boys"

This is correct. Lack of boys in the 'high end' is a clear sign something is inducing a shift from an expected and historical distribution; for boys, the educational system is failing somehow. your 2&3 is right.
92 posted on 08/29/2003 8:11:17 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Tribune7
Ahh, my fond memories of grade school and High school.
I encounterd this damn femnazation all the time. I was always told to listen to the feelings, I absoutley hated the damn writing and other asanine assigment. I was told , violence is never the answer, avoid confrintation. I was restricted acess from science and math classes to take the English and Art classes. They were using fear to supress my testostrone untill something happend, I found consertivism. The schools ARE that bad.
93 posted on 08/29/2003 8:11:50 PM PDT by John Will
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To: John Will
Leaving high school was one of the happiest days of my life.
94 posted on 08/29/2003 8:28:06 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Judge Moore for SCOTUS)
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To: WOSG
I just started my admissions semester in the teaching program at my local university. My computer prof insisted that kids are just different these days! When designing handouts we should make them so that kids can "scan" them. They simply don't/can't/won't read a paper which has actual paragraphs. We should use bullets and 2 (one 1/3 down on the left and another 2/3 down on the right) graphics...making sure that the graphic is properly sized so as to not be overwhelming and distracting.

The woman insisted that we will have many, many children in our classrooms with undiagnosed ADD and sometimes she just wants to shake those kids' parents because adderal is just a LIFESAVER! I think there probably are kids who are more twitchy than the norm. We have had FReepers, who seem to be very involved and loving parents, who say their child requires medication. I believe them. But how much of this is caused by no one ever demanding that the kids learn the discipline necessary to sit down and read full sentences?

95 posted on 08/29/2003 8:43:53 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: WOSG
Boys are not failing academically, the education system and feminism has failed men.

BUMP!
96 posted on 08/29/2003 9:18:39 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (Awareness is what you know before you know anything else.)
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To: Dianna
Good luck to you and thank you for choosing such a terrific calling as teaching.

Many children today, and I will speak anecdotely of my cousins children, not mine who have been through "Basic Training" (smile) will NOT wait until an adult is finished speaking before piping up, will NOT sit through a meal without acting like a jack-in-the-box, will NOT go to bed unless mommy or daddy lies there with them until they finally go off to fairy land, and will NOT remain in their own rooms should they awaken to use the facilities or "heard a noise" but must go into mommy and daddy bed for the duration of the night wherein they toss turn and kick and keep everyone else awake.

The "family bed" concept is a recipe for divorce, to my mind. When I was a child, adults had a whole neat "adult" life that included going out for supper without children who knew better than to whine about wanting to tag along.

I always knew we were in for a sitter when my mother showered and put on perfume and pearls and I could smell TV dinners in the oven.
97 posted on 08/29/2003 10:24:00 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: WOSG
"Boys are not failing academically, the education system and feminism has failed men."

intentional or not

98 posted on 08/29/2003 10:58:25 PM PDT by alphadog
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To: Pro-Bush
Title 9 is cutting off boys/men sports....
The Radical feminists hate-males and anti- GOPs training centers
must be shut-down.....

There Mecca is so-call Women studies located in over 700
+ Universities and jr colleges across america...

If these radical male haters and sexist want to eliminate
all male school sports and ROTC, then it is fair to SHUT-DOWN there Left-wing Radical Hate Centers...
Women Studies...There is no need for it, and it waste
Hundred of Millions of TAX PAYER $$$$$$$....

IT discriminates against males, and promote evil toward others.....shut-it down...This is where N.O.W. and the other witches are located at, and get there $$$$ and supports...

Solution #1....
99 posted on 08/29/2003 11:02:02 PM PDT by Orlando
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To: thoughtomator
Knee-jerk feminism involves feeeelings, not logic.
100 posted on 08/29/2003 11:10:15 PM PDT by stands2reason
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