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[Robert_Paulson2]

Link to climbing NUT protestor article.

We had one of these nuts when I was up in the Northwest a couple years back... protesting by climbing...

Ran for political office, and friend of the democrat mayor... follower of the tree worshipping religion and member of ELF... spiker of trees and bomber of logging trucks. Too late they discovered the llittle darling "warrior for the trees" was a elf terrorist with federal felony warrants.

Any kind of extremism breeds these kind of nuts... and draws them like flies.

.. birds of a feather I guess.

[f.Christian]

The one way walls are the rag head liberals --- atheists !

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972219/posts?q=1&&page=101 To: lugsoul

Jusge Moore is standing up for the rights of all. Religious freedom is for all.

Free speech is for all. The first amendment is for all. The ACLU is trying to restrict our freedoms to only what they approve (atheism).

129 posted on 08/28/2003 3:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

(Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND... ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)

[Edmund Burke]

In 30 years or so the United States will likely degenerate into another Argentina.

[ClancyJ]

You are missing the point.

The points are state's rights, judges making laws that violate the consitution and then therefore changing the constitution without going throught the amendment process, the ACLU willfully stripping religious freedoms away from American life lawsuit by lawsuit, little chip by little chip, using these leftish laws as a stepping stone to the next lawsuit to further curtail the religious freedoms in America.

If you cannot see all these efforts - then you are totally oblivious and nothing you read here will awaken you.

[ClancyJ]

What is your problem?

Have you read all these comments on all these threads and still think this is only about the ten commandments being moved?

This is the final straw. This is about protecting the rights of some and abusing the rights of others which are protected by the constitution. It is about making law that ignores the constition.

[cyborg]

ACLU keeps insisting that the religious right is going to take away all our 'rights' BUT so far it's just been the ACLU doing that of late.

[ClancyJ]

To put another way, taking out the monumement will not change Moore and it will not change his verdicts.

Correct - but it will encourage lawsuits all over the country to take any mention of God out of more and more places - schools, public buildings, government buildings. It will then progress to churches designated only to certain areas. So, government assumes more and more control over American life.

Thought FR was dedicated to small government, freedom from government in our personal lives.

If they get away with this, they will just assault us more.

[ClancyJ]

I would say that the first 4 are definitely not universally accepted

Hm....wonder if that means God changes His mind about them? Does He too operate by polls?

[ClancyJ]

Oh good grief - a little over-reacting isn't it?

Why are you even on this thread if you are so against what Moore did? Surely there are other threads of more interest to you.

[ClancyJ]

I don't mean to be tacky here but wanted to bring up a point....

I've been reading comment after comment about whether a person agrees or accepts all of the Ten Commandments....

Where do we did the idea that the Ten Commandments were given for us to chose whether we believe them or not?

All too often in discussions of religion - all of us get into the mode of we believe this, we don't believe that.

But.....what is the difference?

God is making the rules here - not us. Whether we believe or not makes no difference in the least - the rules are still there.

Think about it as you listen to people, we have put ourselves into the position of choosing what we want in a religion. Yet - we have it backwards. God is calling the shots - we accept or not but WE do not determine what religion is - God does.

This was brought home to me in a sermon recently. Our minister was talking about the complaints he gets over all details of the worship service - they don't like this, they don't like that, they get more out of the service if it is done this way, having it done that way is just not right.

Then he said - "Guess what folks? It is not about you. It is about what God likes." Brings you up short and makes you think. So true and we are all so guilty of it.

[ClancyJ]

Ok, Luis,

Just sit back and watch them take the next step. Now that they got this symbol removed, they move on to the next. So, we have government telling us where we can write God, where we can't, where we can display something religious, where we can't. We can no longer mention Christmas, our children dare not take bibles to school to give to their friends, they will be called to the office and the Bibles confiscated. The young cannot hold prayer groups in the mornings at school - can't have that can we?

Yet - this is of no concern to us - because you see, as Alan Colmes would say "Why do you need to pray at school, shouldn't that be done in your home? Why does you child have to give out Bibles at school - shouldn't that be on her own property?"

Funny to me that you on this thread who have laboriously discussed gun rights, libertarian no government in our face views, politics, who is conservative enough - cannot understand the meaning of this continuous assault on those that have religious values. I thought all of you were far smarter than that.

Yet, if we draw a painting of a nude Jesus at the Last Supper, we can put it anywhere - it is art and it desecrates the image of Jesus.

Of course God is still with us and always will be - but America is becoming more and more anti-God, anti-religious values, anti-religious freedom. That is what this is about.

[Mockingbird For Short]

Quote: It's a moral battle between those who wish to force their moral view (atheist, relativists) down the throats of those who appreciate the culture and history this great nation was founded on.

You hit the nail on the head, Damocles.

BUMP!!

[Happy2BMe]

"Will you be following that post up with anything of any coherence, or will you just cast aspersions thorugh the rest of this debate?"

People of faith coherent? Preposterous!

[f.Christian]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972219/posts?q=1&&page=101

To: lugsoul

Jusge Moore is standing up for the rights of all. Religious freedom is for all.
Free speech is for all. The first amendment is for all. The ACLU is trying to
restrict our freedoms to only what they approve (atheism).



129 posted on 08/28/2003 3:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

(Conservative by nature... Republican by spirit... Patriot by heart... AND...
ANTI-Liberal by GOD!)

[Happy2BMe]

"The Creator of the natives prohibited idolatry...or the idea that God lives in some stone symbol."

We're not talking about the creator of the ACLU here . . .

Exodus 31:18
And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Exodus 34:4
And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

Exodus 34:29
And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.

Exodus 34:32
And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the LORD had spoken with him in mount Sinai.

If God has never used the medium of stone to convey His mind, His will, and His commandments, what were they written on then?

[Happy2BMe]

"Now that they got this symbol removed, they move on to the next."

The Almighty Federalist Dollar Accepted By Atheists Everywhere

[Happy2BMe]

BUMP to post #276 please.

[Happy2BMe]

" The ACLU is trying to restrict our freedoms to only what they approve (atheism)."

Organizations such as the ACLU and People For The American Way are driven with an incessant zeal to snuff the fires of religious freedom (Christianity in particular) out.

They blew it this time with their miscalculations thinking the sleeping sheeples would roll over at the forced removal of the Ten Commandments from the rotunda of the Federal Builing in Montgomery.

This whole attack on religious freedom and it's attempt to slowly and deliberatly wrestle God from the bowels of this free society have been once again brought to the light of day - thanks to Judge Roy Moore.

The forces of atheism and agnosticism have great power from all venues of our nation's sources of influence.

From the legal muscle of United States Supreme Court, the Federal Appellete Courts, the State Supreme Courts, district courts and many of their best judges to the billions of dollars of media coverage in Hollywood and the major networks political muscle - God is the target and freedom of religion is the casualty.

May it not be so.

[Roscoe]

BTTT

[ArGee]

Not about converting, just whether the judges (or even one of the judges) would treat them fairly even if their religion did not use Judge Moore's version of the Ten Commandments.

I have to call that a trumped up charge. The 10 Commandments are ubiquitus (sp?) in western civilization. Everyone knows them (including the slight difference in numbering) and knows what they stand for. They are also so unimportant to modern Christianity and Judaism (with some exceptions) that they are more about history in the U.S. than they are about religion - no matter how many times G-d is mentioned in them. If more people took them seriously you might have a case. Otherwise I'd say you're looking for a nit to pick.

Not that I'm proud of that, mind you.

Shalom.