Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Various ^ | August 28, 2003

[trussell]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991236/posts

Reporter attacks Schiavo supporters. Includes her email addy.

[iowamomforfreedom]

Welcome to Free Republic, citizen27106! That's really interesting about Michael's Mercedes.

We Freepers are a tenacious bunch. If anyone can find the dirt on Michael Schiavo, we can. Here's a link to another active thread on Terri: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986663/posts

Also, if you go to the search function and use the keyword Schiavo, you will find other threads on Terri, although most of them haven't been posted to for a while.

Now, any freepers that are connected to the insurance industry, we could really use your help on this aspect of the case. Sounds like we need to resurrect this issue and see what we can dig up.

Oh, and I'll check out your blog when I get a chance. Thanks!

[Ethan_Allen]

WOW! Looks like Dandelion may have uncovered somthing BIG!! I totally missed that thread. I'll look to see what I can find, but that kind of wheeling and dealing is a little far removed from my understanding. I think you have to think like a thief to catch a thief, or at least have some training in how they operate. Hope someone comes up with something soon. This is beginning to almost get exciting, and I've been praying on these passages (Please God, PLEASE!!)

Isa 47:10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me.

Isa 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, [which] thou shalt not know.

Isa 47:12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

Isa 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from [these things] that shall come upon thee.

Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it.

Isa 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, [even] thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee. (It was written for Babylon, but given to us for an example.)

1Cr 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, HE TAKETH THE WISE IN THEIR OWN CRAFTINESS.

[freeparoundtheclock]

Insurance matters are covered in Terri's monster thread. In-depth imo. We can snoop around but real PIs and law enforcement need to do the heavy lifting. I hope that they will at some point.

If anyone finds any SMOKING GUNS, please don't post it - FREEPMAIL someone familiar with Terri's threads.

Anyone can lurk at Free Republic and let's stay ten steps ahead of them.

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Tonight 9PM EST

Radio program Wednesday night on Schiavo case featuring Ron Panzer, Vickie Travis and Nancy Valko-see website

Pro-Death Judge "Greer Denies Motion Allowing Terri Schiavo to Eat on Her Own"

Bob Schindler - father of Terri Schiavo will be co-hosting a 2-hour radio broadcast
with other guest speakers (below) who will chime in on this subject.

Ron Panzer, Vickie Travis, and Nancy Valko - will join Mr. Schindler on the broadcast.

Please distribute this email broadcast far and wide - tune in, educate yourself, and participate. We encourage your phone calls to our guests and in specifc to Mr. Schindler.

Please see information on our website on how you can also talk to the guests FREE long distance,
using Yahoo! Msgr.

TIME > 9:00 PM - Eastern Standard Time. (9-11 PM)
GO HERE > www.highway2health.net

CALL-IN LINE: (321) 984-4505

Highway 2 Health Radio Broadcast - with Dr. Sal Martingano & Peter Kawaja, co-hosts.

Ron Panzer

President, Hospice Patients Alliance

http://www.hospicepatients.org

Vickie Travis
Former Caregiver and Eldest Daughter
of Adam Wesley Arnold
http://www.kaiserpapers.org
Board Secretary Hospice Patients Alliance
http://www.hospicepatients.org/
Vickie@kaiserpapers.org
Kaiser looks good on paper - but then so did Communism - A Kaiser observer

Nancy Guilfoy Valko, RN
A nurse for 35 years, working mainly in oncology, home health/hospice, hemodialysis and several kinds of ICUs, including trauma, currently full-time nurse in an ICU, recent hour-long program on the Terri Schiavo case for Wisconsin NPR, written for publications, both religious and secular, doing medical news analysis articles for the National Catholic Register. Spokesperson for the National Association of Prolife Nurses (http://www.nursesforlife.org president of Missouri Nurses for Life and a contributing editor for Voices, the magazine of Women for Faith and Family (www.wf-f.org)


Nancy Valko, a leading pro-life nurse who monitors end-of-life issues, says the Schiavo case should be a warning to the pro-life community that some want to deny rehabilitative care to the disabled or those with incurable diseases.


"The importance of saving Terri cannot be overestimated," Valko explained. "Not only for her but also to brake the movement to get rid of people with severe brain injuries or conditions by withdrawal of basic medical care, futility and other 'end of life' policies, inadequate insurance coverage for rehab services and even non-heart-beating organ donation."

Pro-Death Judge] "Greer Denies Motion Allowing Terri Schiavo to Eat on Her Own"
[for now]
by Steven Ertelt LifeNews.com Editor September 14, 2003
read it online at: http://www.lifenews.com/bio48.html
or read it below:
[beginning of article]
Clearwater, FL (LifeNews.com) -- On Monday, Circuit Court Judge George Greer told Terri Schiavo's parents that their motion to allow Terri to learn to eat on her own prior to the removal of her feeding tube would not be granted -- at least not now.


Greer denied the motion on a legal technicality, saying the family's attorney had not used the proper legal means to advance the motion and that the issue of allowing Terri to eat on her own would be decided later this week.


Greer is considering whether or not to allow Terri to have rehabilitative care. That's been a sticking point for the family who say that Michael Schiavo, Terri's husband, has denied her such medical help.


The Schindlers have doctors who believe she could be rehabilitated with new and aggressive therapy.


George Felos, the euthanasia crusader who is Michael's attorney, told Greer that doctors he has consulted with have testified that Terri is capable of swallowing her saliva. However, if given water or pureed food, Felos says Terri will choke on it and the blockage could lead to pneumonia.


The motion called for delaying removal of the feeding tube until the transition has been completed and Terri can eat on her own.


"The court must give her a chance to transition to nutrition by mouth," Anderson said, adding that Terri "has never been given the chance to get better. She's been treated as if she's already dead."


Anderson said if Greer withdraws the feeding tube without allowing Terri a chance to eat on her own, he is violating Florida law.


Tom Marzen, a pro-life attorney and expert on euthanasia who has been following the case, tells LifeNews.com, "the next question is whether anyone will even try to feed and hydrate Terri by mouth after the tube is removed if she can possibly swallow successfully. If not, then can't we abandon any pretense that this case involves anything other than fulfilling a death wish?"


Michael was awarded $750,000 in a malpractice lawsuit that was supposed to be used in part on rehab care for Terri. Her parents say only a small amount of the funds has been used this far.


Nancy Valko, a leading pro-life nurse who monitors end-of-life issues, says the Schiavo case should be a warning to the pro-life community that some want to deny rehabilitative care to the disabled or those with incurable diseases.


"The importance of saving Terri cannot be overestimated," Valko explained. "Not only for her but also to brake the movement to get rid of people with severe brain injuries or conditions by withdrawal of basic medical care, futility and other 'end of life' policies, inadequate insurance coverage for rehab services and even non-heart-beating organ donation."


[end of article]


Vickie Travis
http://www.kaiserpapers.org
Board Secretary Hospice Patients Alliance
http://www.hospicepatients.org/
Vickie@kaiserpapers.org
Kaiser looks good on paper - but then so did Communism - A Kaiser observer


A Kaiser Permanente Case Prosecuted by the L.A. District Attorney (unsuccessfully)


read it online at:

http://www.ascensionhealth.org/ethics/public/cases/case7.asp

or read it below:


[beginning of article]


Case of: Barber-Nejdl (Clarence Herbert)


Doctors Nejdl and Barber were charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder following the death of Clarence Herbert. Herbert went into cardiac arrest following routine surgery. After being on a respirator for three days, the doctors concluded that Herbert would not recover consciousness. His family consented to removal of the respirator; Herbert continued to breathe on his own. After two more days, and with family consent, the patient’s intravenous lines providing nutrition and fluids were removed. The patient died several days later. Charges against Nejdl and Barber were eventually dismissed. The court stated that in the case of a "permanently unconscious patient," decisions should be based on whether potential benefits outweigh the expected burdens. The court also found that in the absence of legislation to the contrary, family members could act as appropriate surrogate decision-makers even if they are not legal guardians. [Source: 195 Cal. Rptr. 484 (1983).]


http://members.tripod.com/american_almanac/hmousele.htm

A nurse's testimony led to the Los Angeles County prosecutor attempting to bring murder charges against the doctors. While the case was not successful, what was discovered during the investigation and scandal, was the role of Kaiser's policies. Kaiser's policies dictated that the doctors were in danger of losing their year-end bonuses for cost-cutting if they had kept

him alive!

www.highway2health.net

DO NOT BE FASHIONABLY LATE FOR THE BROADCAST !

[freeparoundtheclock]

I can't hear broadcasts on the internet. Can you do a brief summary here and I'll copy it over to Terri Part 2? Thanks, freeparoundtheclock

We should continue to not call AG Crist. One day down, five to go before he decides if he will intervene or not. I certainly don't want him to.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Welcome to FR! Terri is the only reason I stopped lurking at FR and began posting. I just checked out your blog and it was great, keep up your great work! Thanks for getting in touch with us, it's amazing what these FReepers can do!

[Ohioan from Florida]

We should continue to not call AG Crist. One day down, five to go before he decides if he will intervene or not. I certainly don't want him to.

Me, either, unless he is willing to side with Terri and start coming down on Michael!

[freeparoundtheclock]

If Crist intervenes, it's solely to argue that there's nothing wrong with Florida's exit protocols, even if personally he feels otherwise because that's his job as Fla. AG.

We don't want Crist to intervene. 2 days he's not intervened, 4 days to go.

[freeparoundtheclock]

Where is everybody?

Please ping me if you get anything new, kimmie7.

[phenn]

Attorney General of the state of Florida, Charlie Crist, files Amicus Curiae on the constitutionality of Florida's statues 765.

http://terrisfight.org/downloads/ag100303.pdf

[iowamomforfreedom]

Terri update - Crist speaks:

See Post #5354

[floriduh voter]

FLA AG CRIST ANNOUNCES HE WILL STAY OUT OF TERRI'S FEDERAL CASE! GOOD NEWS FOR TERRI! Please ping Florida freepers... to to sptimes.com under local news for the 3 paragraph article.

The Federal Court Hearing is October 10, 2003 before Judge Lazzara in Tampa. FV

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Crist stays away from Schiavo case

[Ohioan from Florida]

Dodged one bullet (whew!)...now let's see if Lazzara can manage to point the gun away from Terri. I would sure like to see her get a chance to have some therapy. Please, Lord, help us!

[freeparoundtheclock]

Crist was on Bay News 9 Local tv today, an extreme closeup. Crist said "I am not going to intervene regarding the merits of the case."

That's good, imo. Now it's Judge Lazzara's turn on October 10, 2003. He will pour over everything as do all Federal Court Judges.

[freeparoundtheclock]

Thanks for the hyperlink, wc. Charlie Crist's a good man.