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Ready…Set…Homeschool!
LewRockwell.com ^ | August 27, 2003 | Linda Schrock Taylor

Posted on 08/27/2003 11:48:30 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

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To: annyokie
**Teaching is a calling, not just a paycheck. I'll get flamed now, but I can take it. **

No flames from Mrs Tiggywinkle! I know teachers who truly have a heart for their students. They're terrific teachers!

61 posted on 08/27/2003 4:05:30 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Sangamon Kid
HSLDA conducted a study of homeschool parents..those with advanced education and those without. There was NO difference in the academic outcome of their children. :o)
62 posted on 08/27/2003 4:11:10 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: All
Just want to bump this. I will reply later when I get back from taking my 5-year-old to her Religious Ed class (we have to unchain her from the kitchen table sometime, LOL)!
63 posted on 08/27/2003 4:13:27 PM PDT by Okies love Dubya 2 (If feminism is enlightenment, put me back in the Dark Ages!)
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To: annyokie
**Many of the homeschool gang are isolationist in ALL aspects of their lives**

I get a bit testy when people use opinion rather than fact in their allegations. This is about the most ignorant statement I've read in quite a while. How many homeschooled children do you know...of the 2 million in the United States? What do you base your opinion on? jeez.

64 posted on 08/27/2003 4:15:39 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: annyokie
**I really get tired of and should (Honest, hubby says "quite these threads. Who needs the abuse?"?)stop replting to these threads since I am not one of the anointed. **

One of the annointed? Get over yourself.

65 posted on 08/27/2003 4:19:40 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: kuma
Congrats, kuma. We're beginning our 8th year home educating...and love it!

Check out www.debrabell.com

Debra Bell is in Pennsylvania and her site offers *great* information on homeschooling in that state, as well as on-line classes and curriculum.

66 posted on 08/27/2003 4:21:24 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Okies love Dubya 2
Ah yes...we live in a cave and rock back and forth chanting our daily lessons. LOL
67 posted on 08/27/2003 4:24:50 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mvpel
self-ping
68 posted on 08/27/2003 4:27:37 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: annyokie
"Like you, I have nothing against the homeschooling crowd, but many sure seem to have a chip on their shoulder."

"I really get tired of and should (Honest, hubby says "quite these threads. Who needs the abuse?"?)stop replting to these threads since I am not one of the anointed."

"Anointed," eh?

You might want to take a good look at your own shoulder.

69 posted on 08/27/2003 4:39:29 PM PDT by Artist
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To: M0sby
Knock it off.
70 posted on 08/27/2003 4:57:30 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: annyokie
***I idolize many of my teachers and professors.***

Of course, there are several fine educators who teach in government schools. Just as there are many outstanding homeschooling families. My church has a homeschooling ministry. The kids in the program are the brightest kids that I've ever met. They are hardly suffering from "education neglect" and "lack of socialization". The children's parents are honorable people. They are loving parents who care deeply about the welfare of their children. Much of the negative stereotypes of homeschoolers are nothing more than NEA smear tactics.
71 posted on 08/27/2003 5:12:44 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: BMiles2112
Here's a link to a great book that should help convince your spouse it is a good idea:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm
72 posted on 08/27/2003 5:15:42 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: annyokie
"Many of the homeschool gang are isolationist in ALL aspects of their lives."

I know some like this...and they happen to have severe immune system illnesses in their families that require this for survival. I also know many, many home educating families that have family members with chronic illness or disabilities. They don't broadcast their plight either so I'm sure many don't realize.

Families home educate for many different reasons.
73 posted on 08/27/2003 5:23:53 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: ibheath
Saw it, thanks. V's wife.
74 posted on 08/27/2003 5:38:54 PM PDT by ventana
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thank you so much for the encouragement! We have four children as well -- wish I'd been in a position to try homeschooling earlier and we might have avoided some of the experiences I described in another thread today (see link at end of post). Good luck to your children and grandchildren!!!

For those who revere their teachers, I of course have also seen some outstanding teachers. My own history teacher at the same high school my daughter currently attends helped inspire me to major in history and minor in political science when I went on to college -- which makes it all the more apparent to me how the quality at that school has declined over the last 25 years. I have many, many more tales of woe I could share than the couple I posted below (post #45), sad to say.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/970925/posts?page=44
75 posted on 08/27/2003 5:51:47 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: annyokie
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001631350_wasl27m.html

Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - Page updated at 10:43 A.M.

Hundreds of schools won't meet federal goals


By Linda Shaw
Seattle Times staff reporter

Issaquah School District posts some of the highest test scores in King County and the state. Yet when this year's scores come out, Issaquah expects to find its name on a federal needs-improvement list.

It will have lots of company.

Close to 400 schools and most large school districts in Washington are expected to fall short of reading and math goals outlined by the No Child Left Behind Act, which Congress passed two years ago to hold schools more accountable.

Many of its new requirements are yet to come: more tests, more federal scrutiny over everything from teacher qualifications to school safety.

But tomorrow, the centerpiece of the law goes into effect here. The Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction is scheduled to report which schools and districts don't meet some of the reading and math goals for some groups of students.

The schools and districts will be judged by scores on the homegrown Washington Assessment of Student Learning (WASL), now given in grades four, seven and 10. Other states use their own tests. The passing rate is what each state deems "proficient" in each subject, and in each grade.

Schools must reach the goal not only for all students, but in eight subgroups: five ethnic groups (white, black, Hispanic, Native American and Asian American), and students who are learning English, in special-education programs, or who live in poverty.

Washington schools, districts or the state won't pass federal muster if any one of those nine groups falls short in one of two ways: if they don't hit the target scores for each grade and subject, or if their failure rate doesn't go down 10 percent over the previous year.

In Issaquah, for example, the scores of special-education students aren't expected to be as high as required in seventh-grade reading and math, and in 10th-grade math.

Schools also must test 95 percent of students and, starting next year, fulfill either an attendance goal for elementary schools, or a graduation goal for middle and high schools.

For about half the state's schools, the not-enough-progress label will be nothing more than a label. The schools that eventually could face consequences are the other half, the ones that receive federal dollars under the Title I program, which provides money to support students from low-income families. Nearly all school districts receive some Title I dollars.

For Title I schools, one year on the deficient list will be just a mark on their name, one that will be removed if they improve next year. But if they fall short for two years in a row in the same subject, they must offer students the chance to transfer to other, higher-performing schools.

After three years, they must offer tutoring and similar services to Title I-eligible students. And after four years, the district must take action from a list of alternatives, including replacing some school staff, using a new curriculum or extending the school day or year.

(Under the previous version of the law, 31 Washington schools had to offer students the chance to transfer last year, and 21 provided tutoring or other services.)

There are similar sanctions for districts and the state.

States don't have to follow the federal law — but then would forgo federal support. In this state, that equals roughly $600 million a year, about 8 percent of school spending. But Washington Deputy Superintendent Mary Alice Heuschel says her understanding is that the federal government won't pull support if states do what's required, even if they don't meet the annual goals.

Nearly everyone applauds the goals of No Child Left Behind: all students "proficient" within 12 years; more help given to students, especially those from some ethnic backgrounds, who traditionally have scored lower than white and Asian-American students; and no longer allowing schools to continue to fail some or all of their students without repercussions.

The Education Trust, a nonprofit group that's a big supporter of the law, points out that the law just requires states to take their own standards seriously.

But many object to the law's one-size-fits-all nature, and what they see as an ambitious timetable with an emphasis on punishment.

There's not enough federal money to provide the kind of support schools need to help reach all students — nothing close to what Washington state now provides about 65 schools in a voluntary, pilot school-improvement effort, said Karen Davis of the Washington Education Association, the state's largest teachers union.

And many worry that schools that fall just short of the goals, or are making steady progress, will be unfairly viewed as failures.

Some critics derisively call the law "No School Left Unpunished."

There's no doubt the goals are ambitious.

After the law passed, a couple of states lowered their learning standards so that more students would reach them. So far, Washington has chosen to keep its standards the same. But it did work to find ways to reduce the number of schools that end up on the needs-improvement list.

The Office of the Superintendent of Public Instruction succeeded in getting the U.S. Department of Education to agree that a school would pass muster as long as its scores were within the "standard error of proportion," similar to a standard margin of error. That means that schools can come close — and still make it.

Schools also don't have to count the scores of students who haven't attended for a full year. And a subgroup's scores aren't counted if it has fewer than 30 students, because the state argued that any less wouldn't be statistically reliable.

That means many small schools, and some very small districts, will be exempt from the law's requirements.

The state superintendent's office continues to lobby to change the law, especially the requirements that students in special-education and English-as-a-second-language (ESL) programs must meet the same goals as other students.

"Our effort is not to whine; we do support the goal," said Heuschel. "But I think it's fair to object to certain ways of measuring things."

How does one show progress with ESL students, for example, when the students who are proficient in the language leave the program, and get replaced by those who are new to this country and are starting at the beginning?

Davis said she fears that the concern over how many schools fail to meet the requirements for special education and ESL students will obscure the real issue, which is the gap in achievement among ethnic groups.

When the scores come out, Heuschel intends to visit a number of schools that don't pass federal muster. She's convinced she'll find many stories of success, not failure.

Heuschel is on one of the "brain trust" committees that advise U.S. Secretary of Education Rod Paige on the law. She says he's labeled her "positively aggressive."

It's a title she intends to keep.

Linda Shaw: 206-464-2359

Copyright © 2003 The Seattle Times Company

76 posted on 08/27/2003 6:08:28 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Fabulous post. You covered all bases.

Too often money, status and living beyond their means is the priority of "caring" parents.

77 posted on 08/27/2003 6:12:32 PM PDT by nmh
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To: annyokie
It's one issue why someone will not consider homeschooling but it's quite another issue to ridicule and mock those who do homeschool with idiotic stereotypes.

What you ought to be asking yourself is why homsechoolers have you so defensive.

78 posted on 08/27/2003 6:17:46 PM PDT by nmh
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To: Lizavetta
Very well put post, Liz. Thank you. I wish all the others here who homeschool were as well-rounded.

My caveat about teaching my children at home may be too much education on my part (excellent and very expensive, IMHO). I do feel like I would be cheating them out of the rough and tumble part of growing up. Pulling pigtails and playground scrapes are the things from which memories are made. Check the nostalgia threads around here.

Good luck with your endeavour, you are much braver than I.
79 posted on 08/27/2003 6:23:19 PM PDT by annyokie (One good thing about being wrong is the joy it brings to others.)
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To: annyokie; TheMom
Many do not have the luxury of time, money and education to homeschool.

I agree. Further, I am NOT a teacher. I would do my kids a disservice by homeschooling. I also do not perform surgery on them.

The lack of food would also be an issue.

80 posted on 08/27/2003 6:26:36 PM PDT by Eaker (This is OUR country; let's take it back!!!!!)
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