Movers Haul Away Ten Commandments in Montgomery

FOXNews.com ^ | Wednesday, August 27, 2003

[MineralMan]

"But there must be the pre-existence of the object of your disbelief, correct, for you to disbelieve it? Correct? "

Not at all correct. I don't believe in the Man in the Moon, either, nor in the Easter Bunny, nor in little green men on Mars. There is no pre-existence of any of these. They simply do not exist. It is the same with deities and other supernatural entities. I don't believe that your deity exists, nor do I believe in ghosts, spirits, demons, Satan, or any other thing that does not exist in the physical world.

I disbelieve in all of these things. I do not believe they exist. That you believe in a deity does not make that deity exist. It only makes your _belief_ exist.

[maestro]

UR#3............All people are 'born' sinners!!

The breakdown of America's basic moral values continues.

Had this been on the 'koran'....etc.,.......it would NOT have happened!!

ACLU rules the evolutionist state UN....with UN principles-Law!!

Christians/Orthodox Hebrews are under-mensch!!

(Less than monkeys value)

Work and State Makes Free.

:-(

[MineralMan]

"That's just silly. Nobody's coming for your Bible...

Not yet.

"

Not ever.

[keats5]

According to Webster's, atheism is "the belief that there is no God."

Religion has several definitions, among them: "any specific system of belief..."; and "any system of beliefs, practices, ethical vaules, etc. resembling, suggestive of, or likened to such a system [humanism as a religion]".

Most in America use Webster's Dictionary as the standard to define words. It's often referred to in courts of law to settle disputes about the meaning of words.

You may say Atheism is not a religion, but it's still a religion.

[vikingcelt]

"I think that is quite a stretch..." I don't.

[mvpel]

As a representative of the government and the people Moore had no right to show preference to any one religion despite the fact that that religion may be practiced by a majority of the nation. This ruling will, in the long run, work for the benefit of all belief systems in the US.

That's funny, I didn't realize that Moore was the "Congress" in "Congress shall make no law" and that his placement of this monument constitutes "making a law" in his role of "Congress" "respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

What's next, a black-robed tyrant federal judge amending the Alabama Constitution under threat of force, striking the reference to God in its very first words?

[Lazamataz]

Hammurabbi's code predated the Ten Commandments by a couple hundred years.

And the orally-passed traditional concept of not killing and not stealing predated Hammurabbi's code by centuries. So what? Hammurabbi's branch of lawmaking tended towards influencing eastern cultures, whereas western society has been much more based on the 10 commandments.

[MineralMan]

"But by publicly (here) 'representing', like it or not, atheism due to your posts, one can clearly extrapolate that you are not necessarily 'non' God, you are actually 'anti-God'. Again, based on the tone and substance of your earlier posts in this thread. Are you from a separate 'stream' of atheistic thought? PS did you just ammend your personal page to reflect those viewpoints? It seems you added some material on just now (perhaps I am mistaken). Thank you.
"

I did just add a paragraph to my information, to clarify this very issue. It seems appropriate.

I am not anti-God. I don't really care what deity you believe in. I do care if it is your intent to insist that I somehow acknowlege your deity in a place where I am compelled to attend. I will never do so. As for this particular circumstance, with the Alamaba monument, I am happy to let the courts decide whether that monument represents establishment or not. I will, as always, abide by the decisions of our justice system. If I disagree with those decisions, I will endeavor to change the law.

[AmericanInTokyo]

If God does not exist, then there is no need to expend such energy against His believers.

But precisely the quite visible expenditure of energy and emotions and the undoing of civil rights for believers of God by Atheists shows that in action, many atheists are not 'non-God", but are actually 'anti-God'.

If one excepts the legitimacy of the Greek terms for 'atheism', would necessarily not reject the Greek and Latin texts (their substance and legitimacy and interpretation) of sacred deist scripture, based on historical documents found in the Middle East and Meditteranean?

[maestro]

UR# 63.....

Really,......Hitler/Stalin 'collected' Torahs......

Get ready to wear the 'Yellow Star'......AGAIN.

Heil ______________

[Liberal Classic]

The fact the liberals won on this is kinda nuts. Freedom of religion != Freedom from religion.

Agreed. Not respecting the establishment of religion was put in the bill of rights to prohibit the government from creating something like the Church of England here in the U.S. The ironic thing is that the separation of church and state has gone so far that the government has respected the establishment of atheism.

[halfdome]

Oh, my bad. I guess it wasn't the fundamentalist Muslim countries that stone women to death for adultery, and kill people for speaking against Mohammed, cut off hands for stealing and cut out tongues for lying. Maybe I am insane, because I've heard these facts for most of my life. I even hear them on Fox News. Maybe it's the voices in my head.

[sinkspur]

Why is it that we Americans have to kow-tow to people who come from foreign countries who tell US they are bothered by OUR religious beliefs and symbols and that WE have to refrain or remove our symbols while THEY get to practice their religion in front of OUR face?

Yep. Don't those American-born "furriners" (Muslims, Buddhists, atheists) know their place?

Those darkies ought to shut their mouths, shouldn't they?

[keats5]

You do know what happened in Canada, don't you? Spoken Biblical anti-homosexual passages have been deemed "hate speech" up north.

[nfldgirl]

Many people are saying that the ten commandments are the basis of our laws

Well, instead of them being the basis for our laws, which for the most part they are....let's say they're the basis for our Judeo-Christian system of values upon which the nation's laws have evolved. They are the foundation of the sytem of values adopted, accepted, practiced, promoted, etc. in this country for over two centuries. But now, they are slowly and most assuredly being underminded, usurped, REMOVED, etc. from the public conscience, to be replaced by something else...the (spoiled) "fruits" of which are evident, all around us today...even in this website/message thread.

[PleaseNoMore]

When one says that the secular world is "removing God" from America they do not mean that God is a monument, a book, a picture or what ever the protested material is. If you take this man's statement literally then yes, it would seem as if he is referring to the monument as a god, but I completely understand what he means even if his choice of words seem or were poor. I agree with the man. Get your hands off our God.

[smith288]

With the exceptions of thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal, the rest of the commandments are more like laws the Taliban would enforce.

You are darn right! The next time someone tells me to love my parents and to not lie... Im going to scream "TERRORIST!" and have then arrested according to the Patriot Act.

[Woahhs]

"Get your hands off our God, God haters!" yelled the wildly gesturing, red-faced man who initiated the chanting. My God isn't a piece of stone with words on it. This guy needs to read the second commandment.

Does this sound like an accurate quote, or a subtle "oversight" insinuated by a reporter to elicit exactly the reaction you've had? Even if accurate, why would the reporter choose that one particular screaming person to quote, rather than all the rest of those standing watch over the monument?

You are being suckered.

[MineralMan]

"Atheism."

There is no such religion. Atheists do not worship anything. No gods. No churches. No prayers. No principles that apply to all who claim to be atheists.