The message in the Baghdad bombing?

WND ^ | 08-25-03 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[AntiGuv]

Do we withdraw our protection of the state of Israel? Are you prepared to watch that slaughter take place?

The only people who would be getting slaughtered are the Arabs who attack Israel....

Something tells me no matter what the US did/does/will do; the extremists will find a reason to hate us. We are obviously not dealing with rational beings.

Yeah. At this point what's done is done & there's no turning back. One can still argue that what was done should not have been done to begin with. Doesn't do much good to argue that, but there it is..

[templar]

If we do not defeat them, they will kill us. Without victory, there is no survival.

That pretty much sums it up. Wish our leaders could understand that.

[Huck]

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Pat, but there's this arrow of causality thingie that people seem to have trouble with. The fact of the matter is that we went to them first before they came to us. Now, if one wants to argue that our reasons for meddling in Mideast affairs is justified, that's one thing, but the fact still remains..

Who's we? The fact is that the British were in the Middle East before the Americans. The fact is that all the parties went to the UN. The world is engaged. You can't hide from it. Least of all if you are the leader of the cause of freedom and civilization. That's us, PJB be damned. We do what we think is right. If terrorists then conclude that it is right for them to commmit terror, we will--finally--show them the consequences of such thinking. If we all pulled our pants down and greased up our bungholes, then probably we wouldn't have had an attack on 9-11.

Pat obviously thinks our global police work in the Mideast is unnecessary and unbeneficial.

Pat benefits from being totally and completely irresponsible.

[dennisw]

With the Jerusalem atrocity, Islamic Jihad and Hamas were paying Israel back for killing their leaders and using terror to say, "This is the price of your continued presence on Palestinian land." ........

UNTRUE. This is the price for Israel existing at all. Pat is playing the game of pretend that Paleostinians will be content, stop the terror, if they get to rule the West Bank and Gaza

[AntiGuv]

You are preaching to the choir.

[Theodore R.]

11th Earl, Here is the biographical sketch of Chuck Baldwin, 51, from his website. He is a most controversial columnist and very critical of the current President Bush, whom he considers a liberal.

DR CHUCK BALDWIN
A BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH
BORN: May 3, 1952, to Mr. & Mrs. Edwin J. Baldwin in La Porte, Indiana. Ed Baldwin was a welder by trade and a converted alcoholic. His life story has been played over the international radio program, "Unshackled." He was a lay preacher in the jails and prisons of Northern Indiana for over 35 years.
FAMILY: Chuck is married to the former Miss Connie Kay Cole. Chuck and Connie were married on June 2, 1973 after meeting in college. They have three children. All three children and their families are active, dedicated Christians. Their daughter, Sarah, is married to Alan Baker, a Structural Engineer. They have three children, Emily, Jay and Amy. One son, Christopher, is married to the former Miss Jana McCoy. They have two children, Charles and James. Chris is a Licensed Master Plumber and owns his own business. The youngest son, Timothy, is attending Law School.

CALL TO MINISTRY:As a young man, Chuck had decided to pursue a career in law enforcement. His plan was to join the U.S. Marine Corps and afterward begin working as a Deputy Sheriff in LaPorte County, Indiana. The Sheriff at that time was Cliff Arnold. (Arnold later became an Indiana State Representative.) Mr. Arnold had told Chuck that following his tour in the Marines, a position at the Sheriff's office was waiting for him. All that changed in the summer of 1970 when Chuck answered the divine call to Gospel minisitry.

EDUCATION: After graduating from La Porte High School in 1971 Chuck attended Midwestern Baptist College in Pontiac, Michigan for two years. He then married and moved to Lynchburg, Virginia. He enrolled in the Thomas Road Bible Institute (now known as the Liberty Bible Institute at Liberty University). and graduated with his Bible Diploma. He then earned his Bachelor of Theology and Master of Theology degrees from Christian Bible College in Rocky Mount, North Carolina. Chuck received his first Doctor of Divinity degree from Christian Bible College. He received his second Doctor of Divinity degree from Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida. On this occasion Dr. Baldwin brought the Commencement Address to a crowd of over 5,000.

FOUNDER-PASTOR CROSSROAD BAPTIST CHURCH, PENSACOLA, FLORIDA. Dr. Baldwin and his wife met with four others on June 22, 1975, for the first meeting of the Crossroad Baptist Church. The church was organized in September of that year. Six acres of prime property were purchased in 1978. Since then the church has gone through five building programs. In 1985 the church was recognized by President Ronald Reagan for its unusual growth and influence. Some of the choice spiritual and political leaders of the nation have spoken in this pulpit including Jerry Falwell, Reform Party Presidential Candidate Pat Buchanan, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, Pete Rice, Lt. Commander Steven Harris, Salem Kirban, Tim Lee, Harold Willmington, Bob Gray, Rep. Joe Scarborough, Rep. Jeff Miller, Harlan Popov, Chuck Millhuff, Walt Hanford, Don Boys, Kenny McComas, Captain Eugene "Red" McDaniel, Stanley Tam, Dr. Reed Bell, Alabama Governor Fob James, Jr., Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Constitution Party Presidential Candidate Howard Phillips, Reform Party Vice Presidential Candidate Ezola Foster, Janet Folger and others.

RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Dr. Baldwin is the host of a lively, hard-hitting radio talk show called, "Chuck Baldwin Live." This is a daily, one hour long call-in show in which Dr. Baldwin addresses current event topics from a conservative Christian point of view. This program, which has been on the air for nearly seven years now, has been highly successful in helping to elect conservatives to local, state and national offices. "Chuck Baldwin Live" is regarded as perhaps the most influential voice in the Florida Panhandle for conservative, Christian principles. Thousands of concerned citizens are being informed and inspired to social and political activism as a direct result of this radio talk show. Chuck's guest list reads like a "Who's Who" from both the local and national scene. The program made its national debut in early May 2001 on the Genesis Communications Network.

MORAL MAJORITY LEADER: From 1980-1984 Dr. Baldwin served as Pensacola Chairman, and then State Chairman of the Florida Moral Majority. Through these efforts many successful rallies and conferences were conducted. (One rally drew nearly 2,000 people during a driving rain storm.) Pro-family legislation was enacted, and Christians were educated as to moral-political information and involvement. Also, thousands of new conservative voters were generated.

AUTHOR: Chuck has authored two books. The first is entitled "Subjects Seldom Spoken On" which contains eleven sermons not normally addressed. The second, "This Is The Life," is a verse-by-verse exposition of the Epistles of John. Numerous theological booklets have also been written by Dr. Baldwin, including the popular, "Let's Look at Legalism." Through his radio program Dr. Baldwin has edited and produced "The Freedom Documents." This volume contains over fifty of the most important and influential documents of American history. No where else that we know of can you find these great, historic documents under one title. Chuck also writes daily editorials that are sent to thousands of subscribers electronically. These editorial opinions are carried by several newspapers around the country.

DISTINCTIONS: Chuck Baldwin has preached in churches all over the United States and overseas, and has appeared numerous times on television programs in Pensacola and across the states of Florida and Alabama. He has spoken (Chuck's Speeches) at several notable events including being the keynote speaker at the 50th anniversary of D-Day celebration at the Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Florida.

Dr. Baldwin has been proclaimed an honorary member of both the Pensacola City Council and the Women for Responsible Legislation. He has appeared before the Tiger Bay Club as well as several civic organizations. He has also been the guest of honor at a meeting of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He was also awarded the Bronze Medal of Patriotism by the Sons of the American Revolution.

Twice, Dr. Baldwin was proclaimed "Minister Of The Day" in the Florida House of Representatives. Recently, this distinction was awarded him by the Florida State Senate. Also, Pastor Baldwin has had audiences with former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush, Sr. and Governors Bob Martinez, Fob James, Jr. and Jeb Bush. He has also been officially recognized by the Escambia County Florida Sheriffs Department as an Honorary Deputy Sheriff.

Dr. Baldwin is a member of the Board of Directors for Gospel Radio Latin America (G.R.L.A.) in Ft. Worth, Texas, and on the Board of Regional Vice Presidents for Trinity Baptist College in Jacksonville, Florida. He received the "National Medal of Patriotism" award from the American Police Hall of Fame and is a volunteer chaplain at the State Prison in Century, Florida. He is also listed in "Who's Who of the Gulf Coast."

[Always Right]

His father may not have understood politics, but he understood the world better than the crazed ideologues who captured his son.

Well I'll give Pat credit here, afterall Pat is an expert on crazed idealogues.

[AppyPappy]

Yeah, if we had just let Hitler have Poland, all would be rosy.

[Theodore R.]

Pat does not seem to understand that the Israelis have used much restraint in fighting against the terrorists. His colleague Robert D.S. Novak seems to make the same error of judgment. Buchanan and Novak seem to regard Israel as the aggressor, rather than the one under attack.

[montag813]

We offered security. They refused.

The "Lesson" = U.N. is a bunch of idiots

[boris]

Frankly, I think the whole idea of "nation-building" in these places is crazy.

We went in and busted it up; let us leave and let it remain busted-up. The Frenchies can fix it if they want to.

We have much work yet undone. We need to get rid of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, and (perhaps most urgently) North Korea.

"Boots on the ground" equals folly. "Rebuilding" equals folly squared.

Nuke them all and let them "rebuild." We have no interest in "rebuilding" our sworn enemies.

--Boris

[usnret99]

Pat has gone off the deep end

Ever since he lost in running for the nomination he has blasted all of the conservative positions. I believe he is just full of sour grapes....

[wayoverontheright]

Recent events in the Middle East, not just the suicide attacks, but also the willful destruction of the Iraqi reconstruction, tell me that the terrorists have given up hope. They lost. They know it.

And they have another problem. The Iraqi people will take this attack on their infrastructure and people trying to help as an ATTACK ON THEM. We are likely to get more cooperation from the people as we move forward.

The attack on "soft targets" is also an admission on the parat of the terrorists that they know that attacking our soldiers will not bear fruit.

[RAY]

The older Buchanan get -- "the better he was"?

He and they don't get it. We must attach -- attack -- and attack --- there is no satisfying these particular Islamic devils. We are in a war that has gone on for centuries and will until someone totally subjugates or obliterate the other!

The Western World must come to grips and deal with it.

[mr.pink]

Let us become enery self-sufficient and starve the Islamists into silence.

I with you 100% on becoming energy sufficient, but if we were no longer a customer for ME oil I think the void would be filled immediately by China.

[Huck]

Yeah, if we had just let Hitler have Poland, all would be rosy.

And Russia. What business is it of ours?

[kegler4]

"We cut our losses in Japan by taking out two of their major cities with the ultimate act of terrorism. We nuked them. I for one am ready to do the same in the Middle East, but I am not holding my breath for it to happen."

Gee, what a bright idea.

Now exactly which cities would we nuke? Remember we need to nuke the ones that hold all the terrorists who hate us. Would we get all Americans, British etc. out first or would they just have to be necessary sacrifices? And exactly what would we do if some country responded with other nukes? It was a lot simpler to drop those bombs when nobody else could respond with the same.

I hope you keep holding your breath for a long, long time.

[St.Chuck]

Yeah, if we had just let Hitler have Poland, all would be rosy.

Hitler's occupation of Poland did not lead to America's direct participation in WWII. So, it shouldn't be implied that Hitler's invasion of Poland was the catalist to armed conflict with Nazi Germany. It wasn't.

[11th Earl of Mar]

I appreciate the info, but I still could not find this article at the Washington Times site under Buchanan's name OR Baldwin's name.

Where did you find it?

[AppyPappy]

If the world had let Hitler have Poland, there would have been no war. In theory anyway.