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Ten Commandments on Display Has No Legal Standing
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Posted on 08/24/2003 10:14:36 AM PDT by Timothy Paul

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To: evangmlw
Beautiful expression of religious prophecy, but I am a bit of a realist. I believe that we can and should draw lines in the dirt and fight for what we believe in.

The prophesy may be true in the end, but the bible also says that no man knows when that end will come.

I cannot just accept things. It is not in my nature to do so. I am not personally affronted by this attack of Moore, I am concerned for the roots of this nation. The very principles of it's existence.

While nations come and go, I want this one to test the notion that 2000 year reigns are over and this 200+ year old nation broke the mold.

Just my nature to be that way I suppose.

81 posted on 08/24/2003 2:47:35 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Nothing in my home is French!)
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To: evangmlw
This God has been under an all out assault in this nation for the past thirty years.

It is impossible to assault god.

As those who make up this society continue to assault the Creator, the more pronounced judgments will be.

It is impossible to assault god.

Denying God His rightful place in society will force Him to lift His hand of protection.

It is impossible to deny god a place in society.

911 was a Sunday School picnic, compared to what will follow, as this nation continues it's assault upon Him.

Who is this supposedly omnipotent being you are referring who mere mortals can assault? It sounds rather more like a petulant child.

82 posted on 08/24/2003 2:47:48 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: Pahuanui
It sounds rather more like a petulant child.

That perfectly describes the Biblical God. The things some people believe in!

83 posted on 08/24/2003 2:49:41 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: sinkspur
So, how do you explain Texas? Already litigated, and it was found to have a secular context.

Quite simply, one court has taken a more expansive reading of Lynch than the other. But don't worry the other will catch up.

To me, these cases are clear: no religious preference in public displays.

That would be Karl Marx' view as well. Karl Marx and current US law are coincident. Religion is banned from the public square. You might see that as desirable, I certainly don't.

Would you be OK with a Koran in a Supreme Court building foyer?

Of course. Nothing in the Constitution prevents the display of books in the foyer of the SCOTUS. Cripes.

Now if the SCOTUS began using it as precedent for opinions, I would urger them be impeached.

Just what is it that you are afraid of?

84 posted on 08/24/2003 2:50:17 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jlogajan
Ha. I'm a lifelong Libertarian. I believe in minimalist government -- and certainly one that isn't out hawking a particular religious mythology.

No, you're a frog who whistles the Bridge Over the River Kwai merrily on as one after the other Federal Courts makes law and ignores the Constitution because thier usurptations are coincident with your ideology.

You're a big central government kind of guy. Maybe you need the three step plan.

85 posted on 08/24/2003 2:54:55 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jlogajan
To the raving fanatic, atheism and religious neutrality look the same. They are not.

Yes, I suppose that is true. I have seen and experienced some of that. We do agree on that point.

Probably the reason that I do not belong to a church or any other group of like minded people. They tend to become single minded and vain.(plus a dozen other adjectives):-)

86 posted on 08/24/2003 2:55:43 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Nothing in my home is French!)
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To: jwalsh07
Just what is it that you are afraid of?

I should ask you that. Does your religious life suffer because some judge is not able to place the 10 Commandments in a prominent place in a courthouse, but can display them in his courtroom, or his office, in the same courthouse?

I haven't experienced one whit of persecution because the 10 Commandments aren't in the Tarrant County Criminal Courts building, or because I can't say a public prayer at a high school football game.

87 posted on 08/24/2003 2:57:05 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: jwalsh07
You're a big central government kind of guy.

It seems to me that those who want government involved in religious expression are the big government guys.

89 posted on 08/24/2003 3:01:13 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: jwalsh07
:-) LOL!

I sense you have had some of the same frustrations recently as I have. Seems like a Libertarian Renaissance on FR.

90 posted on 08/24/2003 3:01:16 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Nothing in my home is French!)
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To: sinkspur
Check out what he thinks about Muslims, Hindus,
and Buddhists, and that they have no rights
in this country except those rights given to them
by the Judeo-Christian religion.

I'd have thought by Now....
that Everyone would have gotten You straightened out
on this Issue !!

.....THUNDER......

91 posted on 08/24/2003 3:05:59 PM PDT by THUNDER ROAD
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To: sinkspur
I should ask you that.

You should and you may as soon as you answer the question I posed without a question.

92 posted on 08/24/2003 3:06:05 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: sinkspur
It seems to me that those who want government involved in religious expression are the big government guys.

Central government is the Feds. Another example would be the Soviet Duma.

Should the tenth amendment being excised from the Constitution?

Is government better the closer it is to the people or the further away?

93 posted on 08/24/2003 3:08:42 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: wirestripper
I sense you have had some of the same frustrations recently as I have. Seems like a Libertarian Renaissance on FR

A wire stripper with uncommonly good sense. :-}

94 posted on 08/24/2003 3:09:45 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Just what is it that you are afraid of?

That purpsefully and conspicuously placing a tribute to a religious artifact in a public place with the expressed intention of favoring its relgion over all others under color of gov't power, purposefully using this action to create a media-storm of publicity, expressing dubious, self-righteous outrage about this manufactured, contrived little dust-up and directly disobeying the law is being construed by charlatans and suckers as religious 'persecuion'.

Somebody get them a hanky for this ocean of crocodile tears.

95 posted on 08/24/2003 3:11:58 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: jwalsh07
Is government better the closer it is to the people or the further away?

Closer. But a mayor who advocates a particular form of religious expression is no more desireable than a President who does.

96 posted on 08/24/2003 3:12:55 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: THUNDER ROAD
I'd have thought by Now.... that Everyone would have gotten You straightened out on this Issue !!

So, Hindus, and Buddhists, and Muslims are second-class citizens? That's what you're saying, isn't it?

97 posted on 08/24/2003 3:14:51 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: jwalsh07
You should and you may as soon as you answer the question I posed without a question.

The only thing I fear is a theocracy, Walsh. Of any kind, under any religious banner.

98 posted on 08/24/2003 3:16:57 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: Pahuanui
That purpsefully and conspicuously placing a tribute to a religious artifact in a public place with the expressed intention of favoring its relgion over all others under color of gov't power, purposefully using this action to create a media-storm of publicity, expressing dubious, self-righteous outrage about this manufactured, contrived little dust-up and directly disobeying the law is being construed by charlatans and suckers as religious 'persecuion'.

Whoops, now you stepped in it. All those things are nice and believe me my heart goes out to you.

However, I have several questions for you.

Where does the Constitution protect your right not to be offended?

Where does the Constitution proscribe "media-storms ...blah,blah,blah?

And now for the big one, where does the Constitution create a Wall of Separation and who built it?

My senses tell me you are also a frog in the water pot enjoying the slow boil because you like the smell of frog stew. But I could be wrong.

99 posted on 08/24/2003 3:19:00 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Nightshift
ping
100 posted on 08/24/2003 3:20:40 PM PDT by tutstar
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