Ten Commandments on Display Has No Legal Standing

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[sweetliberty]

"Just making a point that some folks may see the "rock" as more of a threat than you kind souls born and raised in the USA"

At the risk of sounding "intolerant", if they don't like the way we do things here they are free to leave. The establishment clause was put in there for no other reason than to keep the government from establishing one denomination as preferred over another as had been done Europe. (In earler days denominations were referred to as religions). I'm sure that in their wildest dreams they could not have thought it would ever be taken to mean embracing foreign gods, and while we might tolerate those who adhere to those "religions", we are not bound to build our laws around them.

[MarthaNOStewart]

And just what is it that bugs you? Are you planning to have the courts open on Sunday? Do you really think people are supposed to bow down to the ten commandments? What is it that bothers you? I don't get it?

[f.Christian]

Repeatedly these atheists knock - bash ... the ' little man in the sky ' to build their ego and fortify their confidence- conscience --- keep a clean track record too !

[sweetliberty]

Excellent article. Thanks.

[FairWitness]

Amendement 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Respecting (preposition): With regard or relation to; regarding; concerning; "as respecting his conduct there is but one opinion".

Respect (verb):
1) Regard highly; think much of; regard with special attention
2) Show respect towards; regard as worthy of esteem; regard with honor.

Respect (noun):
1) The act of noticing with attention; the giving particular consideration to.
2) Esteem; regard; honor.
3) An expression of respect, of deference.

Preposition: A word employed to connect a noun or a pronoun, in an adjectival or adverbial sense, with some other word; a particle used with a noun or pronoun to make a phrase limiting some other word; -- so called because usually placed before the word with which it is phrased.

I wonder how many people who feel that the Ten Commandments do not belong in a public building confuse "respecting" (a preposition that could be replaced by "concerning") with "respect" which implies favoritism, or "giving special consideration to".

My take on the First Amendment is that it tells Congress to not "concern" itself with making laws for or against religion.

[f.Christian]

Are the liberals still doing the ribbon craze ... this is like big sister --- the united states of iran - nkorea !

[Enough is ENOUGH]

It's just a matter of time when someone files a lawsuit because he is "offended" that Christmas is a paid holiday for government employees.

[f.Christian]

Oh we have a stealth god - religion now ... serial king - queen --- pope too ---

liberals - media - education and judicial establisment ...

bow - scrape - curtsy - kiss - grovel ---

our overlords !

sock puppets with iron - mush fingers - toes !

Bad hair day viagra !

[Roscoe]

Moore was never interested in the 10 Commandments on display; his rock is about Roy Moore's definition of religion.

Red herring. Give us one quote of Judge Moore that is on the monument.

[sinkspur]

Give us one quote of Judge Moore that is on the monument.

Doesn't have to be. Moore's words in "defense" of his monument to the Federal Judge did him in.

Moore doesn't own the lobby, and he is not free to advocate an isolated religious expression there.

[tpaine]

"I will do my best here not to preach a sermon or sound like a right-wing zealot."
J.J. Johnson


You failed, J.J.

[Roscoe]

Doesn't have to be. Moore's words in "defense" of his monument to the Federal Judge did him in.

He doesn't own the monument that Myron is trying to censor.

[sinkspur]

He doesn't own the monument that Myron is trying to censor.

You're right. Coral Ridge Ministries owns it, since they paid for it.

[Cold Heat]

I agree that the first four appear to reference religious ideology more than the rest that reference morality and common sense. But, we still do not have advocacy of any particular religion, unless you consider being a deist a religion.

A Deist, who believes in a higher power, can accept the importance of all religions and simply believes in a God. Jesus and christianity had not yet been born.

We must draw the line somewhere. I choose to draw the line here, otherwise how much further can we go with this parsing of meanings and intents.

[Roscoe]

Coral Ridge Ministries owns it

No, it's public property.

[sinkspur]

No, it's public property.

The State of Alabama didn't pay for it. Coral Ridge Ministries paid for it. The fact is, the State of Alabama legislature would NEVER have voted to fund this rock.

Why does Moore want it in the lobby, and not in his office?

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

My God! Al Gore was right! There is no controlling legal authority!

[Maelstrom]

The 10 Commandments are not part of a particular religion.

It's part of several.

Your point is invalid...it's also irrelevant. Prohibition of a particular religion on public lands is just as much a crime as prohibition of any or all of them. Moreover, any law supporting such a prohibition is a law with respect to the establishment of religion.

As for Moore, I don't care what he thinks, I'm more concerned with the persecution Christianity is suffering at the hands of anti-religious bigots throughout America.

[Roscoe]

The State of Alabama didn't pay for it.

Is there a special on red herrings where you're at? It was a gift.

[Arthur McGowan]

Roy Moore is deliberatly challenging the "Incorporation Doctrine," which has absolutely NO basis in the Constitution. It is the claim that the 13th and 14th Amendments changed the meaning of the first ten Amendments. Thus, "CONGRESS shall make no law..." to establish a federal church means "Anyone on a State payroll shall not do anything overtly religious..."

The totally unconstitutional "Incorporation Doctrine" is subscribed to by EVERY member of the Supreme Court, in violation of their oath of office.

This is the real issue, which Judge Moore has made clear, and which every "conservative" commentator and interviewer I have heard in the last two weeks has utterly failed to clarify.