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Death of Manufacturing
The American Conservative ^ | 8/23/03 | nonglobalist

Posted on 08/23/2003 7:42:02 AM PDT by cp124

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To: RaceBannon
Bump! Awesome archive of links, Mr. Bannon!
41 posted on 08/23/2003 12:27:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: cp124
Manufacturing gives us the competative edge needed to stabilize our Country. Manufacturing being the core Industries of which then comes the Businessess which in turn creates the Entreprenur's and the job base. From the Entreprenurs we get the upgraded knowledge base required to keep the technology growing and expanding as it should by training the apprentices directly from the master crafstmen.

All industries produce the need for casual laborers and production line personnel and assembly lines which roll off the finished products. The problem that increasingly is destroying our Country is not keeping our core manufacturing industries here under our direct supervision and quality control. The need to protect all our tooling and perfected practices learned over many generations is absolutely necessary to restart our national manufacturing industries. Also the periphal associated industries must be kept here in America so we can complete all final assembly of critical componets of the manufactured piece.

When you stop and examine the root causes of the destruction of America's vital manufacturing industries you must deal with the Traitorous activities of our Military Industrial Complexieties being manipulated by the Department Of Defense and the U.S. State Department. Our entire Manufacturing prowess stemmed from the build up in and prior to WWII. Defense Industry Business grew up around the massive ammounts of Manufacturing producing the needed war material. Many of the spinoff businesses were in fact new manufacturing opportunities that came on line after the War ended. The benefits of the Military Industrial Complex and the vast ammounts of knowledge created by it is what most Americans alive today remember as the good old days. Now because of planned deficits and The Debauching of our Currency by the Federal Reserve System capped off by the Traitor Franklin D. Roosevelt taking us off the Gold Standard we now stand on the edge of the pit with inflation robbing the American Worker of his dignity and forcing them to work for worthless Fiat paper currency the Traitors provide instead of a solid God given revenue we could rebuild a Nation back to greatness with. I still believe in America First and always will.

The Un-American Activities of the State Department policy makers and the Department Of Defense Industries of present day America continue to put our Country up for Sale to the Highest Bidder. As much as I would love to blame hitlery & bill for all this; unfortunately it goes way back past them. They just accelerated the process already in effect and did vast ammounts of irreprable damage in their time allowed. America must not look aside what these two groups mentioned are doing right now to the security and stability of America. Putting vital Manufacturing technology under the control of the Bloody Red Chinese and exporting our once strong manufacturing abilities as well as our job base overseas is nothing less than TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER! This same motley crew sees no problem turning over our most sensitive technology to an enemy desirous of attacking us if the situation presents itself. I would never have thought a few years back that our very own people are the ones we must fear the most and we desparately need those years back now that they are showing their true color...RED!

America and its beguiled citizenry have so many problems and things to be concerned with it is no mystery to those who still have the ability to think and reason where we must truly focus our attention. The policies of Un-Elected government Traitors looking to make a fast buck at the expense of the Country is where we must start. We must at the same time demand Monetary Reform AKA ridding ourselves of the Federal Reserve System and putting America back on the Gold Standard. This would severely hamper TREASON INCORPORATED that currently runs America and the peoples business. It is all our fault ultimately for this mess but in fairness liberal traitors are working overtime to not only take away all mention of Jehovah God in our Country but to destroy all Freedom,Liberty,The Constution and the Bill Of Rights from every American. If there ever was a time in all our History for Warrior Patriots to rise up, it is now. Jehovah Bless America and preserve our Free Republic!

42 posted on 08/23/2003 12:45:05 PM PDT by winker
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Ah, spoken by someone whose field of expertise hasn't left yet...
43 posted on 08/23/2003 1:21:57 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Think they'll ever do anything like it?

I think they might if enough people think it is a good enough plan to bring it to the attention of politicians enough times. the politicians may decide holding onto power is more imprtant than the value of the Bribes contibutions they recieve. of course then we will recivie criticism we have corrupted politicians and are encouraging them to aboid being honest and when purchased stay purchased. I acknowledge it is not a perfect plan it is a compromise of sorts hammered between myself and a Free Trade advocate with te addition mentioned at the end from another source taht I thought stood on its own merits.

If GWB adopted this plan he would effective shut the Democrats out of the one issue they need to have a chance in 2004.

(Short of the point when everyone who is not one of the wealthy elite, or employed by the govenment, has been downsized / outsourced out of work)...

44 posted on 08/23/2003 1:30:13 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Cacophonous; Poohbah; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; ...
I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics. The world economy is here to stay.

Soviet Communists were saying the same - the Soviet system "is here to stay" ("you cannot stop the progress"). So where is the Soviet system now, Mr. Jones?! Where is it, huh?

The outsourcing and "export" of jobs is based on four assumptions:

1. American consumers will be able to buy the output of outsourced production with reduced wages

2. The property rights of owners will be respected even if the most of manufacturing base will be in China or India and no regulation/expropriation/nationalisation will happen over there.

3. American dollars will retain its value even with the huge deficit.

4. American workers will accept meekly the collapse of their status or they will be supressed in Latin American style.

Free traders think that Argentinian model or Dickensian England is the ideal and that Switzerland will give them permanent visas if things go wrong.

45 posted on 08/23/2003 2:49:41 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
But when you have to have an advanced degree or some set of unique technical skills in order to support a family, that's going to leave a lot of average Americans unable to properly raise a family.

I guess free traders plan to outsource the raising of families. The next generation of Americans can be imported at much lower costs and it will be much more docile.

46 posted on 08/23/2003 2:59:42 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Why don't you take a REAL CLOSE LOOK at where the Level-Two suppliers to the Big Three make their sub-assemblies???

The USW used to be a big union, too...
47 posted on 08/23/2003 3:08:58 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: cp124
The executive says Chrysler told him: "We don't pay engineering costs."

Irony SUPREME

Back in the old days, Chrysler owned Amplex, a large powdered-metal supplier. The Amplex rep in Wisconsin was one of my best friends.

He went to a local Company to quote some parts, and delivered a quotation including engineering costs.

The local company told him "We don't PAY engineering costs."

Chrysler would no longer deal with the local company and, in fact, blackballed them.

Evidently the Chrysler boys learned--stealing is profitable.

48 posted on 08/23/2003 3:13:33 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: magellan
Superior productivity my butt.

The parts all come from Japan, China, and Korea.

It's DELIVERY costs for the whole vehicle which makes the difference--the plants are for assembly, not manufacture...
49 posted on 08/23/2003 3:14:44 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Tokhtamish
The explosive growth of vice industries such as stripping, porn, and gambling in a world where labor is cheap, life is cheap, and flesh is cheap. A pervasive culture of violence and depravity in urban America as honest labor and deferred gratification are not rewarded but crime and hustling are.

What was the name of the musical about between-wars Germany?

Well, now it could be called Detroit...

51 posted on 08/23/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: Great_Dame
Please don't confuse manufacturing with assembly. The majority of the plants you cite are for assemble only, all the parts are manufactured in countries with much, much lower manufacturing costs (read wages) than the good ole USA. The jobs we "gain" here exist because it allows some Americans to think they are buying an American made product and for the companies to take advantage of tax releif packages for establishing a US "manufacturing" plant.

I am glad you clarified that. A long time ago, we also had machine shops, tool shops, suppliers of all types all over the place, now they are empty buildings. We are becoming a nation that produces nothing, and a nation that produces nothing will be poor, and third world. Without high tech, without business(insurance/claims/customer service/etc) processing, and without manufacturing, just what are we going to pay all of our bills with? how are we going to tax to pay off the national debt? how are we going to pay for the never ending trade deficits?

52 posted on 08/23/2003 3:23:05 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: A. Pole
that Switzerland will give them permanent visas if things go wrong.

Of course, Switzerland, or any other country will give them (the Clintons, Bushes, Doles, Gores, etc....) visas if things go wrong here in the states.

Hell, Bush even has family members stationed in other countries like China.

53 posted on 08/23/2003 3:24:54 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: harpseal
Anyone who cannot fathom the de-construction of this country as a result of these disastrous policies suffers from ultra severe rectal-crainial inversion.

Prognosis: no surgery, corporeal or inter-cranial, can reverse this condition. As a result, it can be expected that the patient will continue to spew Randian libertarian inanity. To protect others from this auto-spewed offensive mental excrement, it is recommended that the patient be placed in a padded solitary confinement cell with NO ACCESS TO THE INTERNET or telephones.

54 posted on 08/23/2003 3:25:21 PM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: A. Pole
4. American workers will accept meekly the collapse of their status or they will be supressed in Latin American style.

I would suggest, or possibly add as an addendum to #4:

A heavily armend and rapidly gropwing American underclass will remain too stupid to realize that they are an underclass.

56 posted on 08/23/2003 3:31:58 PM PDT by templar
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To: waterstraat
I am glad you clarified that. A long time ago, we also had machine shops, tool shops, suppliers of all types all over the place, now they are empty buildings.

Big plant closings get the headlines, but the ripple effect you cite often makes up the bulk of the hit side. A good example is the death of the heavy steel industry in the Pittsburgh-Cleveland-Mahoning Valley region. When those plants went away, the numerous (non-union, family-owned) small businesses, tool makers, machine shops, jobbers for specialty parts, etc., all went under. There are those who say small business is the backbone of America. But often small business is dependent for its lifeblood on big business. It is a symbiosis that is often overlooked by those who say we don't need big manufacturing anymore.

57 posted on 08/23/2003 3:36:43 PM PDT by chimera
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To: harpseal
6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system.

And for that regulatory apparatus we keep, it should be reformed, top to bottom. Particularly, this business of endless challenges to projects that should be settled once and for all at the beginning has to go. Anything that is capital intensive can be killed if you stretch out the completion time long enough so that you can't recover the sunk costs, no matter how successful your enterprise is. Think about the California electricity shortages, the NE blackout, the lack of petroleum refining capacity (which leads to spot shortages of gasoline), the difficulty in building roads, airports, and power transmission facilities, and other infrastructure. All of these things have been hampered by wacko environmentalist obstructionist tactics, primarily delay and delay with endless regulatory and court challenges until developers throw in the towel.

58 posted on 08/23/2003 3:43:13 PM PDT by chimera
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To: A. Pole
Spot on irony, yet " that Switzerland will give [the free traders] permanent visas if things go wrong" is off, as they do not look that far ahead. Their vision is very narrow, and where not narrow, short.
60 posted on 08/23/2003 3:49:44 PM PDT by bvw
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