P&G suit against Amway dismissed

61 posted on 08/23/2003 4:34:22 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)

No, they are liars. They even encourage people to deny it is Amway when they are selling the plan. Then they promise the world. If you have ever sat in on one of their spiels, they will promise you anything to get you to sign up. Anything. Even a car dealer won't do that.

Not only have I sat in on their spiels, I've given them. And yes, there are those who will lie to get people to sign up -- those people tend not to do so well. In order to succeed in Amway (or any other MLM) you need a long-term downline who will continue to buy product and recruit other people. The ones who tend to be the most succesful at it are the ones who don't "burn"-through people.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people in Amway (and other MLMs) that do try to take short cuts, and will lie, and decieve. These people tend to run through their list of people quickly, get nowhere, and then blame the system rather than themselves.

I admit, out of the 100 or so Amway distributors that I've met, there was only one who was succesful enough that Amway was his sole business venture. There were three or four who made a nice chunk of change to supplement their incomes. The rest failed miserably at it. Most of those that failed were slick shysters. The succesful ones were the ones you would want to hang out with...they were decent people who didn't sell bull.

Of course that's just my experience. With over a couple hundred thousand distributors world wide, your mileage may vary.

62 posted on 08/23/2003 4:44:14 PM PDT by birbear (I'll take Things Nobody Knows for $300, please, Alex.)

To: ZviTheWise; rdb3; Nick Danger; general_re

What nonsense... everyone knows that the real satanic company is Microsoft.

Microsoft's CEO is Steve Ballmer, formerly of Procter and Gamble.

63 posted on 08/23/2003 4:46:14 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™.)

I've only known one who was successful, Halsey in Greensboro. I can't help but wonder: If it is such a great plan, why don't they just come out and say "It's Amway"? Why don't they push the product instead of the tools?

As best I can tell, there are 100 failures for every success. That's not a good endorsement.

64 posted on 08/23/2003 5:24:01 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)

Amway, now Quixtar is crumbling. There is a massive lawsuit that was filed recently that will bring about a lot of negative exposure about how the higher-ups manipulate the pyramid.

65 posted on 08/23/2003 5:40:14 PM PDT by Rebelbase

You should have obeyed your Upline (a little breath freshener here) because he has diamonds and BMW's and you don't (a little more breath freshener here). You should be out selling the Plan instead of wasting time breathing.

OMG!! You've been there too! The spouse said it was so freaky to see everybody dressed alike, same cologne, and the constant *breath freshening*. Think thousands of OCD people crammed into a concert hall.

Glad you survived, my friend!

66 posted on 08/23/2003 6:02:00 PM PDT by Marie Antoinette (We made 6 whole dollars with Quixtar the year it was "unveiled". < /badmemory >)

I can't help but wonder: If it is such a great plan, why don't they just come out and say "It's Amway"? Why don't they push the product instead of the tools?

Great questions! The answer to #1 is really a text book case of marketing. In the 70's and 80's tons of people misrepresented Amway. A lot of people who had agendas other than selling soap used the Amway name to try to sell other things. (This is probably how the "cult" rumor started -- many Amway distributors are also very religious, some would use Amway as a guise for "recruiting" people into their church (in some cases it was a legitamate religion, in other cases it may not have been.)

The thing to remember to, is that Amway the company didn't sanction most of these goings on. Amway is a manufacturer of a product as well as a developer of a compensation plan to pay their distributors. Amway took a blind eye to all of these shenaigans in those years.

Eventually they realized that their name was now synonomous with crap (still is to a lot of people). In the late 80's and early 90's there were a lot of splinters in the highest "uplines" -- several factions really felt that they should be preaching to their downline, others just wanted to make money. The ones who wanted to make money branched off and realized a key marketing principle -- the Amway name scared people.

So in order to recruit new distributors it was suggested by the upline (not by Amway, though it certainly wasn't discouraged) that people don't mention the name Amway until after a meeting. This way new recruits would attend a meeting and see "the plan" with an open and unbiased mind. Once they were exposed to the plan, then perhaps when they heard it was Amway, they wouldn't flee in terror quite so quickly.

Why don't they push the product instead of the tools?

Where's the glamor in selling soap, dishwashing liquid, or other cleaners? You don't build people's dreams of living on a beach, owning a yacht, or having a Ferrari by telling them to go out and sell LOC. You build people's dreams by showing them how "easy" it is for them to earn an extra $1800-2000 a month.

As best I can tell, there are 100 failures for every success. That's not a good endorsement.

The company has been in business since 1959 has 3.6million distributors, is sold in 80 countries, at one time in the 90's was the largest privately held company in the U.S., and has sales in the billions of dollars per year.

Even with all of their faults, they're doing something right.

And again, I'm a former Amway distributor... I don't currently do it, and would never again. It doesn't work for all people, it didn't work for me. But the company is a solid American success story, and that part I do admire.

67 posted on 08/23/2003 8:08:16 PM PDT by birbear (I'll take Things Nobody Knows for $300, please, Alex.)

To: Marie Antoinette

I was never there. I come from a family of car dealers. I saw throught early. I just know people who did it. It's clearly a pyramid scheme.

68 posted on 08/24/2003 4:51:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)

Yes but you are building their dreams on top of a pyramid. As one distributor told me "You don't get rich selling soap". Exactly. They are selling the pyramid.

69 posted on 08/24/2003 4:59:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)

70 posted on 08/25/2003 1:22:21 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)

no-it's because so few made anything they had to hide the name

71 posted on 08/25/2003 1:24:48 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)

no-it's because so few made anything they had to hide the name

72 posted on 08/25/2003 1:24:53 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ROTFLMAO)

To: y2k_free_radical

73 posted on 08/25/2003 5:37:53 PM PDT by Rebelbase

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