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Rockin' on without Microsoft
C/Net ^ | 8/20/2003 | David Becker

Posted on 08/21/2003 7:23:21 AM PDT by justlurking

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To: Bush2000
What's more telling about his agenda is that he equates the BSA with Microsoft.

Probably because the software in question was all Microsoft software?

201 posted on 08/21/2003 8:42:13 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
Probably because the software in question was all Microsoft software?

Reread the article. It wasn't Microsoft that showed up on Ball's doorstep. It was the BSA -- and he immediately leaps to the conclusion that it's Microsoft.
202 posted on 08/21/2003 8:44:39 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Question_Assumptions
"Yes, much better to sympathize with Microsoft and their lawyers rather than small business owners who can't afford to defend themselves in court. Much better to assume that Microsoft is right and everyone else is wrong. Guilty until proven innocent and all that, right? "

Yup. It's that evil big business. We had better break them up and regulate them out of business. /sarcasm
203 posted on 08/21/2003 8:49:53 PM PDT by Poser
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To: justlurking
No, I just believe in giving someone the opportunity to recognize the consequences of their behavior and modify it, before I make a complaint.

There are many of us who would call this kind of behavior whining. That's factual, mind you.
204 posted on 08/21/2003 8:50:01 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Reread the article. It wasn't Microsoft that showed up on Ball's doorstep. It was the BSA -- and he immediately leaps to the conclusion that it's Microsoft.

If the unlicensed software remaining on those 6 systems were all Microsoft products, there isn't much point in blaming the other members of the BSA for the way he was treated.

205 posted on 08/21/2003 8:53:30 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: justlurking
Perhaps it is because I've moderated some mailing lists in the past?

Yes, if true that could explain it. But this ain't your mail list.

before I make a complaint.

"Before"? Why now act ashamed you have done this, when you were so quick to hit the momma button above?

And, the best way to end the personal attacks is to leave politics out of the tech forum.

FYI this is not a 'tech' forum. Hacker hangouts are worthless boards, and FR has much more to offer. It's 99% politics here, so you need to go elsewhere if politics, especially criticism of left wing fanaticism, offends you.

I have been inundated with personal attacks by the "free" software/music/younameit guys because my comments place proper critique on their actions. Yet, I have only hit the momma button once, that in regard to someone posting the full name and other details of one of the posters. Get your hounds to pipe down some and I might be more sympathetic to your whine. But I won't take your offer to enter a "momma button contest", and I think the admins will appreciate that.

206 posted on 08/21/2003 8:53:53 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Bush2000
There are many of us who would call this kind of behavior whining.

Call it whatever you want. But, I'm not the one violating the guidelines and getting my postings removed.

Grow up and start taking responsibility for your actions.

207 posted on 08/21/2003 8:54:41 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: Bush2000
His intentions are irrelevant.

Not so. Look up "innocent infringer" on Google.

208 posted on 08/21/2003 9:01:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: justlurking
If the unlicensed software remaining on those 6 systems were all Microsoft products, there isn't much point in blaming the other members of the BSA for the way he was treated.

Wrong-O. Read it and weep. Linux World:
209 posted on 08/21/2003 9:01:24 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Not so. Look up "innocent infringer" on Google.

Do your own legwork.
210 posted on 08/21/2003 9:02:13 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
his company was busted in 2000...

But WE helped him out it seems to say. I will LMAO if he now gets stuck with a SCO fee in addition to his BSA fines!

211 posted on 08/21/2003 9:07:14 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Question_Assumptions
The GPL will only "steal" your IP if you first "steal" GPL IP. That seems to be a fair trade to me.

In fact the GPL won't even "steal" anyone's IP at all. If the person "stealing" the GPL IP doesn't live up to the GPL, then it's a garden variety copyright violation, same as if the person "stole" Sun's or Microsoft's IP.

212 posted on 08/21/2003 9:07:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Bush2000
If you don't want to take the minimal steps to see the proof, don't come whining to me when it's your laziness at fault.
213 posted on 08/21/2003 9:08:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: justlurking
Call it whatever you want.

Okay, fine. Candy-Ass Whining. Screeching. Complaining. Bitching. Fretting. Ragging. Huffing. Whimpering.

But, I'm not the one violating the guidelines and getting my postings removed.

Have a cookie.
214 posted on 08/21/2003 9:11:28 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: HiTech RedNeck
In fact the GPL won't even "steal" anyone's IP at all.

According to 99% of Linux fanatics it does. Just like when SCO unknowingly released a version of Linux that potentially had IP planted by IBM.

215 posted on 08/21/2003 9:11:52 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If you don't want to take the minimal steps to see the proof, don't come whining to me when it's your laziness at fault.

If you wanna post references, get off your ass and get them yourself. I'm not your personal researcher.
216 posted on 08/21/2003 9:13:27 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Bush2000
Silly me, I thought you were interested in finding out the truth, not in playing courtroom lawyer. Well, I will not play your game.
217 posted on 08/21/2003 9:14:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Golden Eagle
But WE helped him out it seems to say. I will LMAO if he now gets stuck with a SCO fee in addition to his BSA fines!

LMFAO! Couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
218 posted on 08/21/2003 9:14:33 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Golden Eagle
But this ain't your mail list.

No, it's not. But, you wondered why I used the terminology.

Why now act ashamed you have done this, when you were so quick to hit the momma button above?

Your memory is pretty short. I gave you your first warning back on 8/7/2003. A second and final warning followed soon thereafter the same day. I don't feel the need to warn you any longer.

FYI this is not a 'tech' forum. Hacker hangouts are worthless boards, and FR has much more to offer.

The single topic on this thread is "Technical". I didn't post it to any other forum.

It's 99% politics here, so you need to go elsewhere if politics, especially criticism of left wing fanaticism, offends you.

Criticism of left-wing fanaticism doesn't bother me (as I don't care for it, either), but when you use it to attack other posters to FR by association, my tolerance ends.

I have been inundated with personal attacks by the "free" software/music/younameit guys because my comments place proper critique on their actions. Yet, I have only hit the momma button once, that in regard to someone posting the full name and other details of one of the posters.

You apparently have a higher tolerance for personal attacks than I. I suppose that's a necessary pre-requisite for you. But, if you treat others with respect, they'll do the same for you.

Get your hounds to pipe down some and I might be more sympathetic to your whine. But I won't take your offer to enter a "momma button contest", and I think the admins will appreciate that.

I don't claim responsibility for anyone but myself. If you have a problem with the other posters, call them on it. If they persist, what you do is up to you. But, when they insist that you treat them in the same manner you are demanding, heed their request or yours will fall on deaf ears.

219 posted on 08/21/2003 9:19:05 PM PDT by justlurking
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well, I will not play your game.

My game?!? You've got a helluva nerve. You're the one who proposed it.
220 posted on 08/21/2003 9:19:05 PM PDT by Bush2000
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