‘Godfather’ Kristol’s Statist/Imperialist Manifesto (Neo-cons vs. Classical Liberals)

Lewrockwell.com ^ | August 20, 2003 | Thomas J. DiLorenzo

[Deb]

Don't ever expect the truth from this crowd. They exist only because the average reader is ignorant of the real facts.

[Maccabee]

What can this movement do other than perpetuate the myth of fascism being consevative? Or of conservatives being neofascists?

[Restorer]

I think the author's disdain for the historical facts has a great deal to say about the reliability of his opinions generally.

[f.Christian]

We now have the ... ultra - super - hyper --- inner circle - upper level - overlord cons !

[sauropod]

Well, this should get a rise out of some of the statists here on FR.

Should be fun to watch.

[sauropod]

Weeeeeeeeeeeel newbie. I see you have been around here long enough for a smear.

Here's a clue. Not everyone that is disenchanted with W. is a "Jew hater."

Idiot.

[sauropod]

Ain't it wonderful? The rump-kissers are in full flower on this thread.

[dighton]

WFA®

If I recall correctly, SCO is asserting previous rights to that expression

;-)

[ninenot]

Somewhat strong/flaming worded--but interesting.

[Restorer]

lying us into war, TR style

Number of wars the US got into while TR was President = 0.

Much to his disappointment. :)

[Korth]

You are mistaken. The military intervention to which he refers is not the battle against the Spanish in the Philipines during the Spanish-American war, but rather the intervention to put down the rebellion of the Filipinos against American rule. The Filipinos wanted independence after the defeat of the Spanish in the Spanish-American war, but we sent troops to put down their rebellion. The battle against the rebels lasted a number of years, and cost a great many lives. This occured under TR's administration, after the Spanish-American war was over.

As an interesting side note, the army had a very poor experience with the 38 colt cartridge (the official side arm cartridge at that time) during this war against the Filipino rebels (it proved to have little stopping power) and this trouble led to the development of a more powerful replacement: the 45acp, adopted in 1911.

[Korth]

You are mistaken. The military intervention to which he refers is not the battle against the Spanish in the Philipines during the Spanish-American war, but rather the intervention to put down the rebellion of the Filipinos against American rule. The Filipinos wanted independence after the defeat of the Spanish in the Spanish-American war, but we sent troops to put down their rebellion. The battle against the rebels lasted a number of years, and cost a great many lives. This occured under TR's administration, after the Spanish-American war was over.

As an interesting side note, the army had a very poor experience with the 38 colt cartridge (the official side arm cartridge at that time) during this war against the Filipino rebels (it proved to have little stopping power) and this trouble led to the development of a more powerful replacement: the 45acp, adopted in 1911.

[rdb3]

Like I give a damn about anything that comes from Rockhead's site. He, his columnists, and subsequent sycophants are beneath contempt to me.

[XJarhead]

That "neocon" label paints with an awfully broad brush. Kristol makes some statements in that article that some who consider themselves "neocons" would abhor -- his homily to FDR being one example. The fact that Kristol chooses to define neoconservatism in that fashion doesn't mean that he speaks for everyone who might consider themselves one.

I tend to agree with the "neocons" on foreign relations issues because I think we're pretty much doomed if we isolate ourselves. If the rest of the world goes to hell, we'll eventually follow. Probably not us, but our children and grandchildren will pay the price.

On the other hand, acceptance of the welfare state and adulation towards FDR makes me ill. But I do agree that political platforms calling for the abolition of the welfare state are counterproductive. It took generations to build the welfare state, and anyone who thinks it can be dismantled overnight is living a pipedream.

[EagleMamaMT]

Read later.

[gnarledmaw]

Not to be missed...

[Korth]

Like I give a damn about anything that comes from Rockhead's site. He, his columnists, and subsequent sycophants are beneath contempt to me.

And yet you took the time to log in and post a response. On behalf of all the conservatives at FreeRepublic.com, thank you.

[Restorer]

I am well aware that he was referring to the Filipino War of Independence. This started on February 4, 1899 and was essentially over by spring/summer of 1901. TR became President in September, 1901.

TR enthusiastically supported the war against the Filipinos, but it is ludicrous to assign him responsibility for it, especially for gettin us into it.

During almost the entire war, he was a colonel in the Army of governor of NY. Hardly the person who can launch military interventions.

[Burkeman1]

Oh mercy me! I wonder if all the the other Vicheycons have read the Kristol piece yet? They must be quite angry at the old man after wasting the last few months and expending whatever credibility they once had on the laughable "neocons don't exist" argument. Has Jonah Golberg been fired yet?

I can’t help but point out that the self-appointed neocon culture and morality czar, "Blackjack" Bill Bennett, recently revealed to the world what his idea of "culture" is: Sitting on a vinyl stool at a Las Vegas casino at 3 A.M. pouring thousands of dollars into one-armed bandits while being served free drinks by cocktail waitresses barely out of their teens and dressed like hookers. (Bennett admitted to having blown some $8 million at Vegas casinos in recent years).

ROFL! Prescious.