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Analysis of Linux Code that SCO Alleges Is In Violation Of Their Copyright and Trade Secrets.
Perins.com ^ | Bruce Perins (with help from many members of the Linux community)

Posted on 08/19/2003 11:00:12 AM PDT by shadowman99

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To: Salo
Is this the article you are talking about?

It is, indeed. Thank you!

101 posted on 08/20/2003 8:19:37 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Bush2000
Look, you drooling idiots in the open source cheering section posted a grainy picture of what you claim is part of the evidence in SCO's lawsuit -- and the rest of us are supposed to simply buy your argument that ALL of the evidence is the same?!? If the evidence is so "clear", as justlurking put it, then it shouldn't be a problem to detail ALL of the evidence; otherwise, put down IBM's water and shut the hell up.

If you have evidence that the rest of the code SCO is claiming was "stolen" is any better than what has been publicly revealed, then show it.

The obligation is on you and your sycophants to prove your case. Otherwise, put down SCO's water and shut the hell up.

102 posted on 08/20/2003 8:23:43 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Golden Eagle
Nice picture, but aren't you supposed to be providing a timeline for this one example (of supposedly many) that you have a single picture of? I don't really see that referenced anywhere, do you?

I'm not obligated to provide anything. However, I have made an attempt to give you enough information to draw your own conclusion. I can't do anything about your refusal to recognize the obvious.

You, on the other hand, have yet to live up to your same demand of providing irrefutable proof of your claims. So, I suggest you follow Bush2000's admonishment to the rest of us.

103 posted on 08/20/2003 8:28:17 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: steve-b
SCO, in fact, has a clearly defined obligation to "mitigate damage." In other words, they are actively undercutting any case the might have (which, of course is strong evidence they have no case) by not spelling out how they have been injured.
104 posted on 08/20/2003 9:05:10 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: justlurking
The German government has already told SCO to STFU, based on the low quality of their claims.
105 posted on 08/20/2003 9:11:27 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: justlurking
Fine, just quit jumping up and down claiming this resolves the case, because it doesn't, especially since your examples don't include many other possibilities as to the code herritage and ownership.
106 posted on 08/20/2003 10:35:22 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: eno_
The German government has already told SCO to STFU...

Move to Germany then, if things are so much better. Almost your whole life is socialized there, which would apparently be a big plus to many.

107 posted on 08/20/2003 10:37:39 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Fine, just quit jumping up and down claiming this resolves the case, because it doesn't, especially since your examples don't include many other possibilities as to the code herritage and ownership.

My challenge stands: if there are "other possibilities", then show your evidence that proves them. Otherwise, please honor Bush2000's admonishment to the rest of us.

108 posted on 08/20/2003 10:51:54 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Coral Snake
He bought roughly $9000 worth of stock, some of it for less than a penny a piece. Hardly a great showing of trust from a CEO of a company (who before that point had no stock in the company)
109 posted on 08/20/2003 10:54:17 AM PDT by flashbunny
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To: justlurking
No, SCO has said this code belongs to them. What is your defense? That it was in some book before? So what, unless you got rights to redistribute, you can't. Something you internet pirates never have understood is, possession is NOT nine tenths of the law.

What else? It was in BSD? So what, I haven't seen any evidence that shows the settlement in that case gave complete freedom with Unix code that may be in BSD, freedom to copy, redistribute, etc.

What else? SCO released it under a BSD type license? Does that mean it can be used within GPL? I think the GPL website says no.

What else? That's it, right? Against my better judgement, I outlined your three points for you since you couldn't seem to do it yourself. If you ever have any more info about these now outlined points, you can try to make them.
110 posted on 08/20/2003 11:01:58 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
SCO published the code under the GPL.

Ignorant, incompetent, or willful. Pick one.
111 posted on 08/20/2003 11:18:56 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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To: eno_
Ignorant, incompetent, or willful. Pick one.

Well since they never "explicitly" gave that code away, the fact that IBM may have snuck it in their under their nose will certainly carry relevance in a 'theft' trial. And your argument assumes the US Federal Judge will be sympathetic to your "free software" cause. If he's sympathetic so SCO, you could be in big trouble.

112 posted on 08/20/2003 11:22:32 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
No, SCO has said this code belongs to them. What is your defense?

They are mistaken. The code in question is in a system that has already been established as an illicit source of code for SCO's proprietary Unix.

It is also in a version of Unix released into the public domain by Caldera (a predecessor owner of SCO's proprietary Unix).

That it was in some book before?

Since the book was publicly released with permission by a predecessor owner of SCO's proprietary Unix, it's one of the pieces of evidence.

So what, unless you got rights to redistribute, you can't.

Since I don't have the book, I can't comment on that issue. But, you are wasting your time flogging this dead horse, because it is irrelevant in the face of all the other evidence.

What else? It was in BSD? So what, I haven't seen any evidence that shows the settlement in that case gave complete freedom with Unix code that may be in BSD, freedom to copy, redistribute, etc.

The code in BSD was already released under the BSD license. The settlement denied AT&T claims of ownership, after a handful of issues were resolved. That means the code remained available under the BSD license, period. AT&T didn't own it, and therefore had no ownership rights to transfer to SCO. It doesn't prevent AT&T and subsequently SCO from using and redistributing the code originating in BSD, but they can't claim ownership.

What else? SCO released it under a BSD type license? Does that mean it can be used within GPL? I think the GPL website says no.

The GPL does not prevent the co-existent use of BSD code. In fact, there is code in the Linux kernel that has a BSD license. What the GPL says is that the GPL'ed parts of the code cannot be redistributed except under the terms of the GPL. There's nothing that prohibits the use or redistribution of BSD code along with it.

What else? That's it, right? Against my better judgement, I outlined your three points for you since you couldn't seem to do it yourself. If you ever have any more info about these now outlined points, you can try to make them.

I've (and others) have explained them repeatedly, if you simply took the time to read the information that has been provided by me and other constributors to this thread. Your refusal to do so is nothing more than an attempt to face the reality that SCO's claims are bogus.

My challenge remains: if you have proof of that SCO's claims are not bogus, then show it. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

113 posted on 08/20/2003 11:26:04 AM PDT by justlurking
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To: Coral Snake; Dominic Harr
... Darl McBride WHO HAS NOT SOLD ANY STOCK acording to the "evidence" that you publish and in fact has EVEN BOUGHT SCO stock as late as last year.

Finally found an answer to this one.

Darl can't sell. His options don't vest until:

So he's got a reason to drag this out... but he can't sell (yet).

114 posted on 08/21/2003 4:07:00 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (because... so much is riding on your wires)
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