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IRS vs. KUGLIN
The Sierra Times ^ | Carl F. Worden

Posted on 08/16/2003 7:37:24 PM PDT by webber

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To: templar
changing the laws themselves on the legislative level Public opinion is the problem, the law is perfectly legal and constitutional, if it is applied correctly.

The problem is not the law, it's the belief that we understand the law without ever reading what it actually says.

Most people have never once tried to read and understand how the tax law is written and the multitude of terms that have legal defintions. The united states is written 3 different ways and it means three totally different jurisdictions.

They only know what the irs publishes and many of the publications are misleading if you don't know who they actually apply to, you automatically assume they apply to you, even though the tax laws apply to corporations, partnerships, trusts, foreign sales corporations,and so on. We automatically assume it means us. Just the word individual, could mean and individual business.

41 posted on 08/16/2003 9:54:42 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: Kevin Curry
The only way to win these things is in the legislature by changing the law.

Which law?

42 posted on 08/16/2003 9:54:44 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
The law that isn't. It's only in your mind. It doesn't exist. I have spent years looking for it. It is not there. In fact most of the laws apply to US citizens with Foreign income or NON resident Aliens with US income. You will kill yourself to find anything that applies to US citizens with US income. They forgot us.
43 posted on 08/16/2003 10:04:42 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: lainie
Title 26 of the United States Code. Sections 7201 et seq are the meat of the criminal prosecution provisions, but the whole code is implicated.

It ought to be rescinded and replaced with a flat tax or national sales tax.

44 posted on 08/16/2003 10:08:02 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: lvmyfrdm
You're loopy.
45 posted on 08/16/2003 10:08:43 PM PDT by Kevin Curry (Put Justice Janice Rogers Brown on the Supreme Court--NOW)
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To: Kevin Curry
For 7201 to be operative, one has to first have taxable income.

There's no jurisdiction for a flat tax or a national sales tax.

c'mon
46 posted on 08/16/2003 10:22:16 PM PDT by lainie
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To: jwh_Denver
How effing stupid can you get? Sending a letter to the IRS is waving an "audit" flag in front of them.

This is exactly why no one knows what is really going on. They would rather the IRS steal everything they own then dare to question their authority to do a dang thing to anyone. The IRS is suppose to be a servant to the people.

A nation of cowards.

There is a few letter writing campaigns going on asking the IRS for the law that applies to a Citizen of the United States working and living in the United States.

anyone who might feel like sending a letter or just reading the letters that have been sent, email me and I will send you to a website.

Oh and don't worry, the IRS will never send you a reply, Nor will your congress critters, they just send some sorry form letter, because you are the people, and you don't deserve an answer.

They haven't answered but a few of the thousands that have been sent and never once answering the question.

47 posted on 08/16/2003 10:23:18 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: Kevin Curry
That's fine call me what you want.
Calling names won't change facts.
Sooner or later it will all come out in the wash.
48 posted on 08/16/2003 10:27:17 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: lvmyfrdm
Most people have never once tried to read and understand how the tax law is written ...

That's because most people don't live long enough. You got any idea how long that thing is? And how obnoxiously difficult to understand? Even the IRS's people don't have the comprehensive abilities and time to read and understand the whole thing.

49 posted on 08/16/2003 10:32:04 PM PDT by templar
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To: Kevin Curry
Congress loves having the IRS as enforcer because it knows that citizens tend to focus their anger on the IRS--not Congress.

Ain't that the truth!

50 posted on 08/16/2003 10:33:57 PM PDT by templar
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To: Kevin Curry
Does the code apply to everyone in the world?
Does it apply to taxpayers?
Does it apply to non-taxpayers?
Have you ever check in Title 26 for a Withholding Agent?
Find the definition of Withholding agent. That should make you curious enough to find out what else doesn't match conventional wisdom. I thought you where investigators?
51 posted on 08/16/2003 10:40:04 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: jwh_Denver
Sending a letter to the IRS is waving an "audit" flag in front of them.

Not if they received 500,000 of them.

52 posted on 08/16/2003 10:42:11 PM PDT by SSN558 (Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
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To: SSN558
Amen to that. Let's go for 100,000.
53 posted on 08/16/2003 10:46:22 PM PDT by lainie
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To: lainie
Make that 1,000,000!
54 posted on 08/16/2003 10:46:45 PM PDT by lainie
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To: yooper
Since she's not going to jail for evasion, what would stop her from further evasion? She refused to pay before; do you think this verdict will convince her to pay now?

ANSWER: THE IRS CAN (AND PROBABLY HAS ALREADY) ATTACHED A TAX LIEN AGAINST ALL HER ASSETS, MEANING SHE CANNOT SELL ANY ASSET WITHOUT PAYING EVERY CENT TOWARD THE OWED TAXES. THEY ALSO CAN AND WILL LEVY AGAINST HER BANK ACCOUNTS, CAR, PERSONAL PROPERTY ABOVE $1000, GARNISH WAGES FROM FEDEX, AND ON AND ON.

AND, YES, THIS IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF THE COURTS.

THIS WOMAN WILL BE DESTROYED FINANCIALLY.

55 posted on 08/16/2003 10:48:33 PM PDT by montag813
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To: templar
That's because most people don't live long enough. You got any idea how long that thing is? And how obnoxiously difficult to understand? Even the IRS's people don't have the comprehensive abilities and time to read and understand the whole thing.

YOU have a computer, do you realize how easy it is to search for specific information with a computer?
Our parents didn't have the access to information that we have and that's part of the reason we believe things that are not true. The media is all they had, they had no choice but to believe what they heard. We have a choice we can search out the information for ourselves. I have read enough of the IRS code to know, everything I thought was true, Is NOT.
56 posted on 08/16/2003 10:49:25 PM PDT by lvmyfrdm
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To: montag813
No.
57 posted on 08/16/2003 10:49:52 PM PDT by lainie
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To: templar
I don't know if bankruptcy can eliminate an IRS tax judgment ... anyone?

NO. CHAPTER 7 CANNOT ELIMINATE ANY FEDERAL OR STATE TAXES IF THE FILING OF TAX LIEN PRECEEDED THE FILING OF BANKRUPTCY.

58 posted on 08/16/2003 10:51:43 PM PDT by montag813
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To: lvmyfrdm
Bump for future thoughts.
59 posted on 08/16/2003 10:53:08 PM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/ Now Version 1.4!)
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To: montag813
The colonies broke away from the crown because taxes had reached the intolerable rate of 10%. Today's citizen is OK with income tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, room tax, etc and is even happy when his "refund" is expedited through electronic filing or he gets back $300.
60 posted on 08/16/2003 11:01:06 PM PDT by Tymesup
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