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Experts Urge a Reprieve for the Hubble Space Telescope
NY Times ^ | 08/15/03 | DENNIS OVERBYE

Posted on 08/15/2003 6:36:49 AM PDT by bedolido

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To: RadioAstronomer
Nice explanation!
61 posted on 08/16/2003 10:05:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: bedolido
Experts Urge a Reprieve for the Hubble Space Telescope

Should really be:

Government bureaneers beg the government to save their jobs.

62 posted on 08/16/2003 10:09:02 AM PDT by jimkress (Go away Pat Go away!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thank you for the ping, it helped me understand a lot more then I did.

Now, where do I send the apple for teacher? ;)
63 posted on 08/16/2003 10:35:52 AM PDT by Aric2000 (If the history of science shows us anything, it is that we get nowhere by labeling our ignorance god)
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To: wideminded
When the space telescope is in orbit, where do these external forces come from? How much of a net torque is exerted by the solar wind? How long does it take for the reaction wheel angular momentum to build up to a level that is unacceptable, or is there some reason the wheels must be absolutely still?

The external forces (that cause a torque of the vehicle) our satellite “feels,” are mainly from atmospheric drag for the low Earth orbiters and the solar radiation pressure for the higher ones. Other torques may include magnetic fields, gravitational field gradients, solar wind particles, etc.

Also, once you start adding angular momentum to a wheel, isn't it hard to subtract exactly the same amount of momentum?

On some satellites, that is exactly what the torque rods are used for. To unload the wheel momentum.

(Hmmm... maybe that is why the wheels need to be normally still, so you can just apply a brake to stop a turn of the telescope

The wheels are used constantly to keep the satellite pointed properly. The onboard control laws perform the “dance” between the wheels, satellite, and torque rods. :-)

Here is a really nice write up on a reaction wheel strategy for the ESA’s Integral Gamma Ray Telescope:

Integral Gamma Ray Telescope

64 posted on 08/16/2003 11:24:56 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: skinkinthegrass
Thanks...For the review in the Newtonian laws, will LaGrange Points help in this matter, or are they too far out?...wrong positions...they'er still on same elipic (sp?) plane...aren't they?..

The stable Lagrange Points are much further out. They fall within the orbit that the moon sweeps out. So those points are on the lunar orbit track both leading and laging the moon by 60 degrees.

65 posted on 08/16/2003 11:30:09 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: VadeRetro
The earth has a non-trivial moon, which makes it wobble slightly in its solar orbit. Thus, the real center of mass of the earth-moon system is a bit off from the geographical center of the earth. Since the satellite also feels the tug of the moon, it is basically orbiting the earth-moon center of gravity.

:-)

Lets get even pickier. Add the effects of both Jupiter and the Sun. :-)

66 posted on 08/16/2003 11:31:59 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: skinkinthegrass; VadeRetro
The difference is, What?...In the total Volume of the cosmos?...

What Vade was pointing out was a glaring error in my statement about the center of mass for the Earth/Moon system. It is not exactly at the center of the Earth due to the large mass of the moon in Earth's orbit.

67 posted on 08/16/2003 11:34:13 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry
Couldn't these be made in spherical form, so that they'd always be "pointed" in the right direction? I guess a flat panel has more surface area exposed to the target than a small sphere, but a larger sphere should do just as well.

It so happens I worked on a satellite that did that very thing. No matter what the orientation, there was enough solar cell area to power the satellite. Often though due to weight, power, and stability reasons, panels are just sail areas that need to be orientated.

68 posted on 08/16/2003 11:37:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Physicist
:-) Thanks for the addition!
69 posted on 08/16/2003 11:38:38 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
It so happens I worked on a satellite that did that very thing.

I assumed you guys would be way ahead of me. At least I'm not in the same league as the writer of a famous letter to the London Times, who seriously suggested that moon shots should be scheduled for dates when there is a full moon, so we'd have a bigger target to aim for.

70 posted on 08/16/2003 11:47:59 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
At least I'm not in the same league as the writer of a famous letter to the London Times, who seriously suggested that moon shots should be scheduled for dates when there is a full moon, so we'd have a bigger target to aim for.

ROFL! I had forgotten that. :-)

71 posted on 08/16/2003 11:49:48 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: bedolido
Minor correction -- James Webb is *not* a great astronomer -- he is a former NASA administrator.

MD
72 posted on 08/16/2003 11:50:11 AM PDT by MikeD (up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A-start)
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To: MikeD
Welcome back! Any additions or corrections where I might have "stuffed it up" in my post?
73 posted on 08/16/2003 11:55:41 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Nice explanation!

Thanks! :-)

74 posted on 08/16/2003 12:35:03 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Victoria Delsoul
LOL, thanks for the additional info, RA.

Your welcome :-)

(You liked my "note to self") :-)

75 posted on 08/16/2003 12:37:11 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
Couldn't these be made in spherical form, so that they'd always be "pointed" in the right direction? I guess a flat panel has more surface area exposed to the target than a small sphere, but a larger sphere should do just as well.

Let me tell you an anecdotal story. This is from a time not too long ago, when I worked at another place. They had recieved a Small Explorer Mission grant from NASA, worth about 3 million. They selected a company of some reknown to build the satellite bus and software (not one who's name I thankfully remember). It wasn't anyone too well-known, since it was a small satellite and a small university. The company had made prior satellites, but bad luck had pretty much followed them the entire way before this. Their first satellite had minor attitude issues, which were believed to have been caused by problems with coming out of the nosecone . They fixed them, I believe, and the satellite worked, sort of. The second satellite never made it out of the Pegasus rocket vehicle's nosecone, and ran out of batteries without ever seeing the sun. Finally, the last satellite was built for the group, and it passed all of the tests necessary for the SMEX. It was launched into space, and it was the first satellite made by that particular company to make it out of the nosecone of the rocket cleanly. Unfortunately, the satellite had one solar panel on one side of the spacecraft bus, instead of panel wings extending from the outside of it. The satellite came out of the cone, and as it turned to orient the solar panel, oriented itself so that the panel was directly away from the sun.

With the solar panel not recieving insolation, the spacecraft quickly ran out of batteries and died. The spacecraft began to tumble, and every time the panels recieved solar power, it would immediately turn away from the sun, and the batteries would die, and it would begin to tumble again. A team of engineers were turned loose on the problem, and after about 15 hours, they discovered that the attitude control code had a sign error in it, and the satellite would turn away from the sun while trying to align the panels to the sun. It turned out that that particular instance of code had been in all of the other satellites, but it was never discovered because of all of the other calamities. I felt bad for a graduate student who had helped with every stage of the process, but had to find a different topic because of a lack of satellite to take any data. How depressing is that?

76 posted on 08/16/2003 12:48:37 PM PDT by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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To: ThinkPlease
OMG! That bites BIG TIME!

Remember the Lewis satellite? There waq a flaw in the Attitude Control System. They did not take into accout the natural spin axis of the spacecraft body. It entered a flat spin that resulted in no solar power to the panels and a fatal battery discharge as well. It too was a total loss of mission.

77 posted on 08/16/2003 12:57:20 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: ThinkPlease
Yet another reason to adopt the PatrickHenry Spherical Solar PanelTM design.
78 posted on 08/16/2003 12:59:38 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
ROFL!
79 posted on 08/16/2003 1:01:37 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Further note:

The companion Clark satellite (yes they were named for the famous Lewis and Clark) was canceled and never launched.

80 posted on 08/16/2003 1:03:40 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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