U.S. Offshore Outsourcing Leads to Structural Changes and Big Impact

cio.com ^ | August 13, 2003 | Diane Morello

[Keyes2000mt]

We're not talking about jobs being eliminated due to better technology. We're talking about high tech (i.e. "jobs of the future") being eliminated and sent overseas.

If all of our computers are made overseas. If all of a company's development is made overseas and none of it is being done by Americans, doesn't that bode ill for America's future?

Sometimes, I think some people on this forum would be more than happy if every job that could be outsources were outsources, American unemployment sored to 20%, and India became the world's superpower. They'd smile and say, "Aw, the power of free markets."

If we cut everybody down to minimum wage, there's still no way we could compete with India where companies can pay them 80 cents an hour. If we were to eliminate the minimum wage and pay our techs the same thing, there's no way people can live on $32.00 a week here.

As automation comes more into vogue and we export all the technology jobs offshore, where does that leave us? Are we not planning our own obselescence?

[Those_Crazy_Liberals]

"So far, everything I have seen from you has been disgusting, so why wouldn't you sic your pack on people?"

This is rick - coming from a guy who uses the F word when he posts! Try again, but with a bit more sincerity.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Nobody here is a unionist.

[RaceBannon]

Comparing entry level non-skilled jobs to jobs that require skill and continuous education is flip. There is no shortage of other entry level jobs that these poor, displaced grocery checkers can get.

Oh, YES THERE IS!!

Have you tried to get one of these jobs lately? I have!!

The supermarket up the street from me is on a hiring freeze, and all part timers are limited to 15 hours per week?!

I NEVER heard of a large supemarket doing that, and they are doing it because there is less money being spent IN A SUPERMARKET in SUMMER, Barbecue season!

[Lazamataz]

What a contribution. Is the Smoky Backroom a place for this.

This dweeb actually said that honest criticism of the President brands one an enemy of the state. That *is* f***ing disgusting behavior. I'm sorry if manner of delivery bothers you, but the substance of my post stands.

[RaceBannon]

Do you know any American brand name clothes we can buy?

Seriously, your idea is a good one, but must be implimented nationwide to work, but in the mean time...what brand name clothing is made here exclusively?

[a_Turk]

>>This article points out good news.

>How so, exactly?

In that when demand goes back up supply will be short and it will be a buyers market for US developers..

Meanwhile work on small companies such as supermarkets and local hospitals until things change. If you're unable to find a customer to document experience in a new technology, then do a free project or two for your local church or little league organization.

And don't commit suicide..

[Dane]

If all of our computers cars are made overseas. If all of a company's development is made overseas and none of it is being done by Americans, doesn't that bode ill for America's future?

Replace one word and it's back to the late 70's and the world didn't end in 1979, did it.

[Lazamataz]

This is rick - coming from a guy who uses the F word when he posts! Try again, but with a bit more sincerity.

This is your second poor dodge in as many hours. I asterisked out the word.

Now, back to YOU: You state that honest criticism of the President makes you an enemy of the state. Would you like to elaborate on what punishments you would levy on these enemies? Gitmo? Execution? What would you do to those who disagree with you, Messr. Stalin?

[AppyPappy]

Yes. There are still clothes made in America. They may be cut somewhere else. But it's harder and harder to find them because people don't want to buy them. That's not Bush's fault. That's OUR fault.

[Lazamataz]

In that when demand goes back up supply will be short and it will be a buyers market for US developers.. Meanwhile work on small companies such as supermarkets and local hospitals until things change. If you're unable to find a customer to document experience in a new technology, then do a free project or two for your local church or little league organization.

You may have an interesting point. It is my opinion that outsourcing is a fad, not a trend. I started as quite concerned about outsourcing, but I've talked to a few people who are quite in-the-know, and they reinforced some thoughts that lessened my concern about it.

[RockyMtnMan]

There is no way to avoid chinese goods, that would have been a good idea in the eighties.

That's definately not his fault but he is president and therefore inherited the responsibility of running the country from those who created this mess. It's time for him to set an agenda and make sure congress follows through. In the past his tax cuts would have had a much more significant impact on spurring the economy. He needs to follow up with something that will encourage businesses to invest capital domestically instead of overseas.

[Dane]

Yes. There are still clothes made in America. They may be cut somewhere else. But it's harder and harder to find them because people don't want to buy them. That's not Bush's fault. That's OUR fault

I would like to see just one of these people, make an inventory of all their clothes, appliances, tv's, and such and throw out everything made in another country.

They probably wouldn't have that much left.

You are correct, people will always look at price when buying goods and services.

[Lazamataz]

You pissant brain dead Marxist totalitarian. F**king disgusting is for you a compliment. When and if you ever discuss issues you willbe answered on issues but the ONLY THINGS YOU HAVE POSTED HAVE BEEN FLAMES LIES AND INSULTS

Careful. Now that you have disagreed with "T_C_L", you are an enemy of the state. You can expect to be picked up for questioning and subsequent torture.

Every country in which man tortures and kills his fellow man, is flush with people who think like that person does.

[RockyMtnMan]

Cars are not tools of creation, computers are. Your analogy is flawed.

[Keyes2000mt]

My opinion is that corporations are heartless and cruel bastards. They've got no loyalty to their country or their employees. They would help terrorists design software to plant a Nuclear bomb if they made enough money on the deal.

Knowing that, my goal is to start my own small business. I may work for someone again, but it's going to be temporary, until I can get some certifications and education. Then, my goal is to open my own computer repair shop.

[holdmuhbeer]

bump

[thimios]

OK, we will stand by and cheer the free market.

What will this country produce to sell to the Chinese and Indian consumer who now has all our money?

“protectionism and mercantilism gaining ground among some conservatives”

Maybe I’m missing something here. At the current rate of offshoring, we won’t be able to produce a single item to export. But that’s OK; I hear the Communist party in China is very Conservative.

[Dane]

Cars are not tools of creation, computers are. Your analogy is flawed.

Whew you really have an elitist computer bias. If it wasn't for the invention of the automobile, you would be going to your IT job with the whiff of horse manure in the air and buying a new buggy whip every year or so.

[Lazamataz]

Whew you really have an elitist computer bias. If it wasn't for the invention of the automobile, you would be going to your IT job with the whiff of horse manure in the air and buying a new buggy whip every year or so.

Perhaps. But that is beside his point. His point is that computers are tools you can create with, whereas cars are not. Therefore, he asserts, your analogy is flawed.