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America's Most Important Battleground: Christian vs. Secular Education
Chalcedon Report ^ | August 2003 | Tom Rose

Posted on 08/13/2003 3:04:46 PM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

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To: Cathryn Crawford
BTTT!!!!!!
42 posted on 08/14/2003 3:13:08 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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I don't think that's anywhere remotely near what will fix the educational system. The public school system used to be pretty good (50 or more years ago). But it has become inferior due to a lowering of standards, lack of discipline, a lowering of the quality of teachers, the decline in the hard sciences and the humanities and an emphasis on junk courses, and an overemphasis on sports.

Religion in the public schools should be part of a world cultures curriculum. Ethics and morality should be encouraged as a way of life - and that should be taught through the daily activities of school - being courteous, kind, and professional. That's done by maintainig high standards of conduct. And those who don't live up to the standards of the school are to be disciplined and even kicked out of school. The inmates can't run the asylum.
43 posted on 08/14/2003 5:53:24 AM PDT by ValenB4 (I doubt you're a neocon)
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To: ValenB4
I don't think that's anywhere remotely near what will fix the educational system. The public school system used to be pretty good (50 or more years ago). But it has become inferior due to a lowering of standards, lack of discipline, a lowering of the quality of teachers, the decline in the hard sciences and the humanities and an emphasis on junk courses, and an overemphasis on sports.

I agree with you completely.

44 posted on 08/14/2003 7:17:43 AM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Traficant is a real conservative who will stomp out the socialist rats but good!)
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
Thank you for the details. It does seem that home schooling is becoming more popular.
45 posted on 08/14/2003 8:13:29 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (All roads lead to reality. That's why I smile.)
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To: ValenB4
"The public school system used to be pretty good (50 or more years ago). But it has become inferior due to a lowering of standards, lack of discipline, a lowering of the quality of teachers, the decline in the hard sciences and the humanities and an emphasis on junk courses, and an overemphasis on sports."

It's always a mistake to generalize.

My wife and I were both educated in the same public school system my daughter is now attending. I would agree that the discipline is sometimes not as good. But without exception, every course she is taking in her senior year is harder and more advanced than when we were in the same high school 30 years ago. And none of these courses were available then. Things like calculus, college-level biology, 5th year foreign language, and college-level government and English. And the science, English, and government courses she's taking are not even the highest level offered. My daughter will definitely know more math and science than when my wife (10th in our class of 340) and I (30th) graduated. And I would guess that she's at least at the same level in English and history.

We take care of the religion part at home and at church.
46 posted on 08/14/2003 8:40:02 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS; Cathryn Crawford; Faith; BOBTHENAILER; <1/1,000,000th%; ...
Are you sure Bush is the Savior?

Larry Pratt said it best. Read below:

Is your school curriculum U.N. approved?

Does it seem somewhat far out to ask such a question? Would that it were so.

The United States is working with the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) to federalize the curriculum of all schools in the United States. The new curriculum would be one that conforms to other countries as well as to UNESCO.

Actually, we do have federal curriculum standards for civics that encompass the teaching of history, geography, social studies and civics. Indeed, there are federal standards for other disciplines as well. The standards are referred to in Washington newspeak as guidelines.

The guidelines have resulted in a subsidized textbook ($10 a copy) entitled We, the People: The Citizen and the Constitution. If a school district does not use this textbook, whatever they teach from must teach to the national tests that reflect the federal "guidelines." The Department of Education is warning states that if they do not have enough students passing the federally approved tests, they will lose their federal subsidies.

The guidelines and We the People are so busy teaching multiculturalism and environmentalism that they have no time for teaching the 2nd Amendment (right to keep and bear arms), and the 10th Amendment (severely limiting legitimate activity of the federal government).

And now, it turns out, we are reporting on our progress at wiping out local and state control over curriculum to the UN! Here it is off the UNESCO web site on the USA country report page (www2.unesco.org/wef/countryreports/usa/rapport _2.html):

"Most countries have national curricula.... In the United States, however, education is managed at the state and local levels.... Thus, the very concept of designing and agreeing on a set of learning outcomes across traditional jurisdictional lines is new, and in the minds of many, unsettling and undesirable."

The UN is saying that they are aware of the political sensitivity of a nationalized education system. This explains the following reference to not letting the American voter in on what "us elitists" are pulling off:

"Officials of the U.S. Department of Education, as well as presidents Bush and Clinton, have applauded the emergence of [curriculum] standards at the state level and in the various subject areas, but they understand that any suggestion that these were being imposed by Washington would unleash a political backlash."

And for the pleasure of One World groupies is this gem from the same page:

"Consciousness is thus growing among U.S. educators that… [e]ducational outcomes must now meet not only national but international standards."

I wonder what countries might be the model for setting UN educational standards? Perhaps some of the countries which have trained children to be compliant workers and citizens who do just what they are told. The mind thrills to consider the array of choice: from Cuba to Zimbabwe with Iran and Libya along the way.

Rep. Ron Paul is right. So are the other 73 Representatives who voted with Paul to get the UN out of the US and the US out of the UN.

Being run from Washington is bad enough, but the being run by the UN is the end of the road to perdition.

47 posted on 08/14/2003 9:12:56 AM PDT by attagirl
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Here's how Bush has betrayed us: 1. we are now part of UNESCO 2. The No Child Left Behind Act makes testing mandatory for all public schools every other year in the lower grades (not sure about high school) 3. All tests must be geared to the NAEP test which is in large part (about 1/2) attitudinal 4. The second amendment is NOT mentioned in the federally mandated civics text

Pardon me, but did you think Outcome Based Education was a thing of the past?

Oh, under the NCLB Act reading will be taught by a highly programmed SCRIPTED training method. It will be phonics, but not in the way you think. The teacher MAY NOT divert from the script which he/she must learn the night before. Another thing--reading must be taught in the same method (which is based on rewards for the right answer) EVERY YEAR or the method doesn't work. (Might be good for kids who have been mis-taught, but not good for everyone. Also, QUITE COSTLY and non-creative.

48 posted on 08/14/2003 9:21:57 AM PDT by attagirl
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Ping for above post
49 posted on 08/14/2003 9:23:50 AM PDT by attagirl
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To: attagirl
Being run from Washington is bad enough, but the being run by the UN is the end of the road to perdition.

Ain't that the truth.

Thanks for the info here. I will look into it from a state and local level.

Presumably this would go with the blessings of the NEA, and inasmuch as my wife is a teacher, she gets their propaganda regularly. I'll be looking closely for any hint of this.

50 posted on 08/15/2003 8:17:19 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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