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IRS vs. KUGLIN (IRS Loses in Memphis: Is Income Tax History?)
Sierra Times ^ | August 10, 2003 | Carl Worden

Posted on 08/11/2003 7:12:43 AM PDT by ninenot

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To: StolarStorm
That sure sounds like you like a socialist government. Where everyone need to pay for everyone who can not make good choices. On the military I would think it should be volenteer donations.
61 posted on 08/11/2003 8:06:39 AM PDT by Baseballguy
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To: StolarStorm
"the rest of us... who have to pay her share."

The school yard bully makes the rounds each morning to collect other's milk money.

Some easily surrender their dollar, others begrudgingly do so as well. Some stand up & refuse, and risk taking a beating instead.

Would you believe that some victims actually blame those who refuse to pay, rather than finding fault with the school yard bully?

The world is full of sheeple, isn't it?

62 posted on 08/11/2003 8:09:22 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: ninenot
This isn't the first criminal tax-evasion trial the IRS has lost. Because of the complexity of the tax code, you might recall, the Congress some years ago redefined the crime of tax evasion to include the element of knowingly evading one's legal obligations. The prosecution must prove that the defendant knew or should have known that his tax non-payment was illegal. So juries need only be convinced that the defendant was reasonably mistaken about his legal obligations in order to acquit. The jury does not have to conclude, as the article suggests, that there is really no tax obligation.

We can see one of the major hurdles to prosecuting tax evasion in this case, too. As in many such cases, in this Memphis case the defendant has a long history of correspondence with the IRS. The correspondence has the defendant on the record over a long period of time saying she will pay any taxes the IRS can demonstrate she owes. The letters also provide evidence that defendant reasonably and sincerely believed she didn't owe any income tax, in part because the dispute as articulated in the letters will have been complicated and will have made reference to many arcance sections of the tax law. When faced with a long chain of letters like these, juries often are willing to believe that the defendant sincerely and non-crazily believed she did not owe any income tax.

As the article only suggests, but doesn't say, this person will certainly have to pay her taxes. The IRS will get the money, or as much of it as she's got, one way or the other. What the trial determined was only that this woman won't be convicted of a crime for her non-payment of tax.

63 posted on 08/11/2003 8:11:06 AM PDT by Timm
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To: hopespringseternal
The chief purpose of the income tax is funding the welfare state. The legitimate functions of government don't need an income tax.

I think this is the point that all the "this lady isn't paying her fair share" and "it will hurt the military" folks are missing.

The federal government was never intended to become what it has become. Perhaps the 16th Amendement (taxes) and 19th Amendemnt (direct election of Senators) are the two most damaging amendments to what the Founders originally intended (not to mention the drastic effects of the withholding tax).

The 16th amendment was ratified in 1913. Apparently, we went 124 years without having a federal income tax. It has been 90 years since its institution and resultant escalation. Are we more free now?

64 posted on 08/11/2003 8:12:36 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: Extremist
Most people do not completely consider the behemoth that is the IRS whereby, being Government employees are paid through tax-dollars. Then the IRS employees checks are taxed whicha amounts to nothing but pure Government confiscated profit...
65 posted on 08/11/2003 8:17:36 AM PDT by grumple
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To: StolarStorm
Hope she doesn't drive on the roads that she didn't help to pay for.
Your income taxes do not pay for roads. You have state and federal gas taxes that are supposed to pay for the roads.
66 posted on 08/11/2003 8:19:21 AM PDT by Crusader21stCentury
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To: ninenot
If you ever had doubts about the mainstream media being controlled by the federal government, doubt no more.

The manistream media is liberal. That's why they won't mention that the IRS lost. The IRS is their God.

67 posted on 08/11/2003 8:19:49 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: ninenot
BTTT

read later...
68 posted on 08/11/2003 8:20:55 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: EdReform
Fair Tax. Pass it around. It has some support in our legislature, and is being touted as the only sane system by pundits.

Note: THIS IS NOT A VAT. Please go to the above site and read.

69 posted on 08/11/2003 8:23:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Timm
" As the article only suggests, but doesn't say, this person will certainly have to pay her taxes. The IRS will get the money, or as much of it as she's got, one way or the other. What the trial determined was only that this woman won't be convicted of a crime for her non-payment of tax. "

So you're saying that this only decided the status of this particular case by the IRS and that next year the IRS can go after this woman once more for the taxes she owes which are not covered by the case which was just settled? They have already tried to take her to court and take everything she has and put her in jail. What method would they use to put her in jail and take her money in the future?

According to the article:
"The IRS went after Kuglin for six counts of tax evasion on $920,000.00 income, and for filing "false" W-4 forms, charges that could have put the 58 year-old Kuglin in federal prison for up to 30 years and cost her 1.5 million in fines. "

They have already lost this case aganst her once because they couldn't convince a jury that there is an unequivocal statement which requires her to pay taxes. Doesn't that mean that she doesn't have to be expected to pay taxes in the future, also?
70 posted on 08/11/2003 8:26:47 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: mattdono
Here is an interesting excerpt about the 16th Amendment. In an article about the 16th Amendment, author W. Cleon Skousen makes a variety of interesting points and closes his argument with a rather interesting source: the former IRS commissioner.
"T. Coleman Andrews served as commissioner of IRS for nearly 3 years during the early 1950s. Following his resignation, he made the following statement:

"Congress [in implementing the Sixteenth Amendment] went beyond merely enacting an income tax law and repealed Article IV of the Bill of Rights, by empowering the tax collector to do the very things from which that article says we were to be secure. It opened up our homes, our papers and our effects to the prying eyes of government agents and set the stage for searches of our books and vaults and for inquiries into our private affairs whenever the tax men might decide, even though there might not be any justification beyond mere cynical suspicion."

"The income tax is bad because it has robbed you and me of the guarantee of privacy and the respect for our property that were given to us in Article IV of the Bill of Rights. This invasion is absolute and complete as far as the amount of tax that can be assessed is concerned. Please remember that under the Sixteenth Amendment, Congress can take 100% of our income anytime it wants to. As a matter of fact, right now it is imposing a tax as high as 91%. This is downright confiscation and cannot be defended on any other grounds."

"The income tax is bad because it was conceived in class hatred, is an instrument of vengeance and plays right into the hands of the communists. It employs the vicious communist principle of taking from each according to his accumulation of the fruits of his labor and giving to others according to their needs, regardless of whether those needs are the result of indolence or lack of pride, self-respect, personal dignity or other attributes of men."

"The income tax is fulfilling the Marxist prophecy that the surest way to destroy a capitalist society is by steeply graduated taxes on income and heavy levies upon the estates of people when they die."

"The income tax is bad because it is oppressive to all and discriminates particularly against those people who prove themselves most adept at keeping the wheels of business turning and creating maximum employment and a high standard of living for their fellow men."

"I believe that a better way to raise revenue not only can be found but must be found because I am convinced that the present system is leading us right back to the very tyranny from which those, who established this land of freedom, risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to forever free themselves..."
Source: History of the 16th Amendment by W. Cleon Skousen (from the National Retail Sales Tax Alliance)
71 posted on 08/11/2003 8:28:38 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: StolarStorm
Hope she doesn't drive on the roads that she didn't help to pay for.

That dog won't hunt. If she drives she pays Federal gas taxes. If she owns a car, the Feds got a hefty chunk of the retail price of that car.

72 posted on 08/11/2003 8:30:04 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: webstersII
Doesn't that mean that she doesn't have to be expected to pay taxes in the future, also?

That was my thought as well. Perhaps this desision would "make" the IRS show this woman where she is required to pay. As a result, the IRS would then be able to tell her how much she should pay.

Of course, this seems to be the crux of the whole argument she has made: that the IRS can't show/prove their authority to tax her. In light of the documentation she has and the IRS's failure to instruct her what to do and how much to pay, she seems to have proven that point well.

Assuming that they can show her where they have the authority, then I guess she would pay...though, methinks, that she would fight that as well.

73 posted on 08/11/2003 8:34:42 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: mattdono
That anecdote about Nigeria is pretty damned nutty. You need a government to do somethings. Most of the things that our government does are unnecessary, true. But some things it does are needed. You need to have police, military, courts, a monetary system and a property registry in the hands of the government. You can't have private property ownership without due process, and without a registry at the local or national government that delineates what each person owns. Read Hernando de Soto if you don't believe this. Living without a government, or with a very weak government, makes it almost impossible to own property. Without property, you really won't have an economy.
74 posted on 08/11/2003 8:39:35 AM PDT by Koblenz (There's usually a free market solution)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Agreed, although I don't like the idea of every merchant becoming an agent of the government either.

He already is; at least for the State governments. Every quarter he pushes an extra button on his POS system and it tells him to write a check in X amount which he then mails to the State treasury. Simple huh? No spending months, and for some $$$ for accountants, collecting & filling out forms and reading instructions that would make Rube Goldberg a simpleton.

75 posted on 08/11/2003 8:40:00 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: MileHi
If she drives she pays Federal gas taxes. If she owns a car, the Feds got a hefty chunk of the retail price of that car.

This is why, to me, the national sales tax is appealing. You are absolutely correct. I don't have a problem with consumption taxes. If I want the privilege of driving, I should (rightly) assume that I would need to contribute to the group of people who own automobiles and want (need?) to drive on public highways.

This is markedly different from making money and having the tax man show up at my door saying, "Pay up what I tell you to pay up. Or, go to jail". The U.S. Federal Tax code is supposedly the largest ever created. If that it is true (or even a slight exaggration), it is hard to dispute what they are telling you. How could you know?

It seems this woman's case possess the question: ok, show me?

It seems that, in this case at least, the government failed to be able to answer this question.

76 posted on 08/11/2003 8:40:07 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: ninenot
Don't worry the IRS owns the BATF (Tax stamps for NFA guns and such) they will just start harassing her about unregistered firearms, or plant an SBR at her residence etc..then she'll be up on weapons charges...or they'll send in their BATF squad and burn her and her residence to the ground....
77 posted on 08/11/2003 8:40:08 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: ninenot
It's on Boortz right now. (11:45 am EST)
78 posted on 08/11/2003 8:43:55 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Conservatives see 1984 as a warning. Liberals see it as an instruction manual.)
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To: mattdono
This is why, to me, the national sales tax is appealing.

I guess so except I worry that it would be a "hidden" tax. Perhaps if there were a requrement that the register receipt print the Fedral tax line in BOLD RED type so people would see what government costs them.

79 posted on 08/11/2003 8:49:59 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: ninenot
GREAT NEWS.

SADLY, I don't think this will get us far until Jesus returns.

The theives will manipulate whatever legislatures and laws they need to in order to fleece us to destitution to fund their greed and power mongering . . .

Sigh.
80 posted on 08/11/2003 8:52:13 AM PDT by Quix (PLEASE SHARE THE TRUTH RE BILLDO AND SHRILLERY FAR AND WIDE)
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