Posted on 08/10/2003 12:26:32 PM PDT by sinkspur
It seems to me that the vatican has come down harder on the homosexual marriage issue than they have the abortion issue. They have been outspoken about the abortion issue but stopped short of urging catholic politicians and voters to to the line.
I really don't have any problem with this particular document.
It has happened a lot in my diocese, about one Sunday a month at least it seems. Some of the policticking I agree with, but would rather not have my arm twisted when I go to church. A lot of it makes me furious because they have had Maryknoll types and who knows what else they are into invited into mass to solicit contributions, magazine subscriptions, handing out forms to to legislaters to sign before you leave, etc. They've had African pastors soliciting contributions.
Frankly, the parts of it that spill over into politics shouldn't be allowed in any church proper or they may risk losing their 501c3 status. Nobody wants to touch that with a ten-foot pole.
We are (or were) required to subscribe to our diocesan newspaper. Ours is way too liberal for me and I would rather subscribe to something else with the money. If you don't ante up, the parish picks up the tab and I don't like to cause other people to pay my way ever. I cancelled my subscription.
BUMP! Either you have values and believe in them or you don't. If you have values then you make the hard choices that they demand,
Yep. If all prinicpled people would follow their principles, rather than take the easy way out, the "moral sewer" would be eliminated. An avalance starts with the first pebble, a flood with the first drop of rain.
Let's say God gave you 5 kids to support? You are completely financially responsible because your wife can't work. Are you going to quit your job and put the welfare of your children at risk because two fags want to marry?
Nope. Gonna quit my job and find another job where I don't have to compromise my principles.
Just remember to teach your kids the difference between good and evil
Did that.
Save your own soul
God did that for me.
Well you're a lot better at distillation than me because that's one of the most important points I was trying to make in my original post to this thread but didn't.
It infuriates me too, but more than that it makes me feel alienated from the Priests, the Church and my fellow parishoners, which is not a sensation I'm not fond of.
When all this stuff came out about Priests, and the abuse they've heaped on children, I felt as if I were living in an alternate universe where the Priests served the devil and not God.
It was unbelievable to me because the Priests that taught me in school were good, solid, devoted men of God. It isn't that they were perfect, but they were not evil.
Hopefully, these trials just like the personal trials we all face in our lives will make the Church better and stronger. I wish the Church well.
Good timing? Seriously, I do not believe the vatican sent this out as a smokescreen. They have watched this develop for some time now and can't let it go on without issuing a very strong statement, and whatever the faults with the catholic church, this is not one of them imo.
I've read mostly criticism over the statement on the net except for here, even by professing catholics. I find that more disturbing than anything. Western society is about to be inalterably restructured.
I don't think their stand is going to make a significant difference anyway. At least enemies of the church can't bash the church for not speaking out like they have the WWII pope.
Not really and I misspelled a couple words :-(.
It infuriates me too, but more than that it makes me feel alienated from the Priests, the Church and my fellow parishoners, which is not a sensation I'm not fond of.
Nor I. It is hard to chafe against the mainstream. Sometimes I think I need to lighten up. I've been warned that I am too rigid. I wish I could just ignore it. I must try to do that.
When all this stuff came out about Priests, and the abuse they've heaped on children, I felt as if I were living in an alternate universe where the Priests served the devil and not God.
Same here. Some of us may never be able to come to terms with what happened, even if they manage to get things cleaned up.
It was unbelievable to me because the Priests that taught me in school were good, solid, devoted men of God. It isn't that they were perfect, but they were not evil.
I didn't know much about the catholic chuch back then, but I truly believed priests were dedicated men of God. I still believe there are many of the latter in the church and that they deserve support.
Hopefully, these trials just like the personal trials we all face in our lives will make the Church better and stronger. I wish the Church well.
That's true, but in the meantime, we need to try to find some peace about the things we cannot change. I think the liberals will win out unless they are severely dealt with and the rest of us are going to either make some difficult choices or learn to live with it.
I will say one more thing. I do not wish to be persecuted for the bad things that have happened in the church. I am willing to suffer persecution for the truth the church stands for.
I don't agree. I think they will really turn ugly. We ain't seen nothin' yet.
If this pattern continues, I'll be forced to administer the Sacraments to myself. That's ok, if the power to administer Sacraments can be transferred to Deacons, why not to me? (Just kidding - sort of.)
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