Increasing export of white-collar jobs is cause for concern

USA Today ^ | 08-10-03

[EGPWS]

By the way there will not be a mass exodus to Zimbabwe Mugabe will not let people in.

I guess THAT caps any thought of going to Zimbabwe to enjoy a life of freedom and contentment doesn't it.

[EGPWS]

So if the USA cracks down on illegal immigration we will no longer have free enterprise?

No. I never even mentioned illegal aliens for illegal aliens are NOT part of a free enterprise system. You, by happenstance, brought Illegal aliens up not I.

[harpseal]

I guess THAT caps any thought of going to Zimbabwe to enjoy a life of freedom and contentment doesn't it.

Personally I am commited to staying in the USA and that means a USA where liberty is still arround and a USA that has not been destroyed by those seeking to do so by destroying its economy. In short I do not want what the Clintonista and internationalists have foisted on the USA as Free Trade which is destroying the USA if you bother to look at the numbers.

Now would you care to discuss issues or continue to make irrelevant comments.

[EGPWS]

Now would you care to discuss issues or continue to make irrelevant comments.

No, to both. : )

[Revelation 5]

I was very disappointed this week when I had to call Aol three times for technical help and each time I reached a tecnician in India. I had to ask them over and over to please repeat what they were saying. Does that mean all of those people from all over the states that were techs for AOL have lost their jobs also? AOL should change their name to India on Line. I am thinking of changing my service.

[harpseal]

I, as of yet, haven't seen a better system to promote individual rights, than a free enterprise system.

I happen to agree that the Fre Enterprise sustem is what works the best. Expect no argument from me on that now I see some definite threats to the Free Enterprise system in teh USA at present. Some are immediate others are mid and long term. most of them are the result of the opening of access to American markets from other nations. since i am an American I propose the Constitutional means to deal with such threats Tariifs on imports reduction of coporate income taxes to balance out the potentialy counter productive impacts of these tariffs. etc.

Now the short term threat of continuing in teh jobless recovery through 2004 is teh increased chance of Democart coming to power aqnd further destroying the American Free enterprise system Longer term threats are from teh economic havoc that the current trade is inflicting and even longer term is the degradation of the American military which will result form the destruction of our economy.

[sarcasm]

Service advantage of Indian IT offshore model

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And now, apart from offshoring, he's also betting big on the US government contracts. "Indian firms in the Washington DC area, where I have been living for the last year and a half, now clearly have an agenda to create awareness and organise themselves to lobby with the US government. That's because IT and defence are the big things in Washington DC these days, even as the private sector cuts costs,'' he says.

[EGPWS]

I am thinking of changing my service.

Well, what goes around comes around! AOL is in a big hurt financially and apparently going by your post they chose wrongly as to how to turn their financial situation around! There are plenty of IP services available and this being the case, you have ample opportunity to find one that suites your needs to the point of actually making you feel like you are getting your monies worth! As the IP's go down in a ball of flame, there will be someone to take their place! Maybe this is an opportunity for some of the layed off IT workers to put themselves back on track.

[harpseal]

I do understand your sarcasm in posting the purchasing of air force jest from overseas assembly but it is not outside teh possiblity that it will become fact. In taht case teh purchase of such jets will cost an arm and a leg actualy many arms many legs and many lives literally.

[RockyMtnMan]

Here is the government of India's current plan for lobbying the fed: Protectionist Backlash Against Outsourcing

[harpseal]

Like someone said we can have all the weapons we will ever need built offshore and delivered to us but we probably will not appreciate teh method of delivery. But hey as long as the right people get their profit like politricians and certain management types in some corporations it is really wonderful isn't it? Just ask a Free Trade advoate. AKA Free Traitor.

[varon]

An MBA with three years experience in India will make about $12,000 a year, compared with $100,000 in the USA, she says. A programmer will make $5,000, compared with $60,000 in the USA, she says.

Very interesting. Reminds me of solutions offered on some of the threads on FR for production workers that lose their chicken plucking job or whatever, to learn another skill or move to where chicken plucking jobs are available.

So, why couldn't these MBAs and programmers stay with their companies and move to India and take the pay cut. Their new lower income should provide them similar living standard due to lower cost of living. All that's called for is a bit of mobility. Foreigners come here for jobs, so why can't Americans migrate to where jobs in their specialties are available?

[elfman2]

"Can you provide any evidence of your assertions or are you just another hit and run poster who makes statements they can not back up. "

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I don't have time to give you any more. Educate yourself and think.

[Free Vulcan]

Bingo. This is the fruits of Great Society and beyond liberalism, pure and simple. America simply is no longer a competetitive place to do business.

[elfman2]

"Bingo. This is the fruits of Great Society and beyond liberalism, pure and simple. America simply is no longer a competetitive place to do business."

Hmm… I thought that T. P. Pole made a pretty good case that offshoring tech jobs is not as big a threat as some people fear.

[EdReform]

Hear, Hear! Well said!

[Free Vulcan]

I was seizing on the last part of his post about other countries not following the rules or having the taxes we do here. If we had a more level playing field in these areas, though we can't overcome foreign govts subsidizing their business sector, labor, and currencies, we could offset a great deal of that advantage by reducing business costs over here.

Combine that with the creativity edge and we could remain competitive enough that few would even think about outsourcing overseas.

I simply don't know how big a problem it will be. You might get crappy customer service, but the the bottom line is if it is cost effective, businesses will continue to do it. If you farm out 20 programmer jobs at a third to fifth of the cost, even if you have to hire 2 or 3 people at American employment levels to check their work, you still end up ahead.

[elfman2]

"If you farm out 20 programmer jobs at a third to fifth of the cost, even if you have to hire 2 or 3 people at American employment levels to check their work, you still end up ahead. "

I understand your point. Part of the problem with discussing this is too many people have agendas and pass on bad information. Like someone above said, do a Monster.com search of Indian programmers and you'll find that they earn 1/2, not 1/5 of US salaries. I'm sure USA Today can back up their claims, comparing legacy programmers with padded internet resumes to real programmers here with a reputation to protect, so who I'm I to call them liars.

I'd love to sit at home and crank out code to specifications, but from my experience, I'm a lot more valuable and effective if I'm on site and managing all the politics and ambiguity that's required to be earn my Indian pay rate * 2 or 3.

[fight_truth_decay]

I recently returned a digital camera because I could not 'hear' the tech after placing the call. I tried several times and determined the camera would be returned. Under "other" in the reason for return...I expressed my displeasure in their overseas tech service.

They lost a sale!!

F_T_D

[dfwgator]

I wonder how long it will be until someone organizes an effort to start jamming these offshore call centers with frivilous calls with the sole purpose of bringing operations to a standstill.