Bill Simon Enters CA Race

Fox News | August 9, 2003 | Fox News

[cartoonistx]

Here's one I drew in October 2002;

[b9]

>>>all these things are a symptom of the bigger problem, party over principle.<<<

Party IS our principle.
This election has national ramifications, considering the electoral votes in 2004.

I voted for Simon because of the R in front of his name.
His campaign was weak and he looked like a linguini leader.

[research99]

RE: "Why should it matter when they did the background check on this convicted felon. Isn't the key point that once they found out he was a convicted felon, Simon and his partners were entitled to fire him? The common sense position, which the judge adopted, was that, yes, Simon and his partners were entitled to fire this guy because he failed to disclose that he was a convicted felon when they hired him. And, more, importantly, the convicted felon was not entitled to a multi-million dollar jackpot just because he successfully concealed his criminal background until after he was hired."

Actually, the issue was breach of contract -- there were no provisions (in advance) which allowed unilateral termination based in revelations of past activities.

In a strict legal sense, the jury was right, that Simon and Sons didn't do their homework (and didn't write a good contract); much as their actions became an "ex post facto" prosecution instead of a proper contract termination.

The problem with your "common sense" determination is:

(1) Hindelang didn't conceal anything (he just wasn't forthcoming about an unasked question),
(2) The situation wasn't covered in the dual-signed contract,
(3) The opinion of one judge only outweighs 12 jurors based on arbitrary authority, and
(4) The judgment reversal does nothing to obscure the fact that Simon screwed up (and hasn't since admitted his mistake) = poor character!

[CarmelValleyite]

Gee, that's funny, I saw an awful lot of "rot" when I had to pass through CT last August on my way to Boston from NYC.

No need to feel sorry for us Californians -- most of us actually LIKE it here, you know, what with the WEATHER and the MOUNTAINS, and the LAKES, and the DESERTS, and the COASTLINE, etc., etc.

Would I trade L.A. for Hartford? ---- what do YOU think???

[Belial]

Would I trade L.A. for Hartford? ---- what do YOU think???

Damn straight! CA is the most beautiful state in the nation, hands down. Well, Alaska might give us a run...

Our economy is one of the largest in the world. People make fun of California the way Bostonians make fun of NYC.

[GreatOne]

Stop acting like a Democrat, or you are the loser!

Wow, good comeback. Well thought out, very substantive in support of your position.

Just like a DemoRat.

[vbmoneyspender]

You started off your posts by saying that Simon is a dishonest creep as was 'shown' in the trial that garnered so much press back in 2002. Apparently, your argument is that Simon is a dishonest creep because he fired a guy who was a convicted felon once he found out the guy was a convicted felon. I don't think your argument makes a whit of sense and I am very happy that the trial judge saw fit not to create a new cause of action which would entitle convicted felons to sue their employers if the employer fires the felon after finding out about the felon's criminal history.

[CROSSHIGHWAYMAN]

Gee, that's funny, I saw an awful lot of "rot" when I had to pass through CT last August on my way to Boston from NYC.

Moral and cultural rot.

No need to feel sorry for us Californians -- most of us actually LIKE it here, you know, what with the WEATHER and the MOUNTAINS, and the LAKES, and the DESERTS, and the COASTLINE, etc., etc.

Big is not necessarily better.

CT has ski slopes, rivers, lakes and a beautiful Long Island Sound coastline.
No deserts thank you, although with all the rain we've had this year, I'd like some desert weather now!

Oh...and only 3.5 million population.

I know very well.
I am an oysterman and retired lobsterman.
My family has a 200 year history on the Sound.

[GreatOne]

Simon's entry dilutes McClintock, doesn't hurt the Dems at all, and could hurt Arnold a lot.

Exactly. I certainly would love to see McClintock win, and Simon's entry splits the vote between them, and (IMHO) really hurts any chance McClintock would have.

[GreatOne]

Your post was just fine. Good points about Jeb - we can't ever back off of our viewpoints when running, or we don't sufficiently separte our stand on the issues from the DemoRats.

[CarmelValleyite]

Thank you, Belial.... and I might agree with you on Alaska; if there is one state I could be persuaded to move to it would be Alaska... but that's about IT.

[research99]

RE: "Apparently, your argument is (1) that Simon is a dishonest creep because he fired a guy who was a convicted felon once he found out the guy was a convicted felon. I don't think your argument makes a whit of sense and I am very happy that the trial judge saw fit not to create (2) a new cause of action which would entitle convicted felons to sue their employers if the employer fires the felon after finding out about the felon's criminal history."

#1: No, Simon is a dishonest creep because the case file evidence reveals the substantial difference between his private actions and his public statements. Please address this issue, if you choose to discuss the "character" issue I mention.

#2: No, this wouldn't introduce a new cause of action, as most "employers" already ask you on standard employment forms your arrest history.

Only hypocritical screw-ups like Bill Simon get burnt, by writing sub-standard contracts then handing over millions before awaiting the results of background checks (while decrying that same practice in their "how to" business books).

[GreatOne]

If Gov. Arnold helps other Republicans campaign (particularly Bush) and helps raise money, then I believe that it could work.

This is a little different from Jesse Ventura's reign here in Minnesota, where his Independent Party people were really just disaffected DemoRats, and nary anyone even remotely conservative was appointed in his administration. Here, since all of Arnold's staff are Pete Wilson people, I believe that we'd see a number of conservatives in positions of power here (didn't Gov. Wilson appoint that black CA S.Ct. justice that Bush is trying to get on the federal bench?).

[lawdude]

"Losing once is not enough, losing twice is Better!! "

Or perhaps stated, "If, on the off-chance your peanut-butter and jelly sandwich DOES fall face up, please put PB&J on both sides!"

[vbmoneyspender]

I see. Remind me to ignore your posts the next time you label another conservative a dishonest creep.

[research99]

My "label" is based on researched facts.

Could I ask that your retorts, rise to that same standard?

[GreatOne]

It's an unfortunate point on the road we've come to when a bona fide Conservativwe like Bill Simon is debased & ridiculed by other Conservatives & Republicans.

It's because the man ran a totally clueless campaign when he should have won by at least 10 points (little hyberbole, but not much). He's a proven loser, and unles I've missed something, has done zero to rehabilitate himself. This is our best chance to get a Republican in there.

[b9]

Wow, we have a prize winning editorial cartoonist in
our midst!

Your work is GREAT.

Thanks for the link on your personal page.
Best cartoons I've seen in ages.

[jla]

This is our best chance to get a Republican in there.

Ridiculing Simon won't get that done. And I would also think long-term if I were a CA resident.
With that said, I wish you all out there the best of luck. California's a great state and the good residents there don't deserve the plate o'socialism served up to them from the Left.

[GreatOne]

And that in a nutshell is the major problem with the 'conservative' party. You could give a crap what they believe as long as they have an R beside their name. Tell me, how does that make you and every other person that believes as you do any different from yellow dog Democrats? Historians will look back one day and be able to say that it wasn't just morality, or just big deficits, or just one thing that destroyed the Republic, what little is left of it anyway. No, all these things are a symptom of the bigger problem, party over principle.

While I would normally agree with you 100%. However, the Republican Party has been getting its a-- kicked the last few elections, and the conservatives who've run have put their tails between their legs and "moderated" their views (see: Simon, Fong, Lundgren). California has been an historically Republican state, and it sickens me to see every major electoral seat held by a DemoRat for the past 4 - 6 years, with no real hope in sight.

Therefore, like I said in that same post you quoted me from, in this rare occasion, I put party over principle. If it were a primary, I'd be for McClintock all the way. But it's not. Need to get Davis out and a Republican in.

If Arnold turns out to be someone who refuses to campaign with/for conservatives, then I'll stand corrected. But I don't anticipate that happening.