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Iraqi Trailers Said to Make Hydrogen, Not Biological Arms
The New York Times ^ | August 9, 2003 | DOUGLAS JEHL

Posted on 08/09/2003 5:36:27 AM PDT by Palm_OScar

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To: snooker
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61 posted on 08/09/2003 3:42:11 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: RandallFlagg
Makes sense to me. My experience is that JR has always supported quality work.
62 posted on 08/09/2003 3:48:04 PM PDT by xzins
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To: Almondjoy
sigh.

Three anonymous sources don't make a fairy tale true. Even if the kooks and the media are running the echo chamber.

You sound like you should be smart enough to see this, but probably not.

I supose that next you will be saying you are waiting to see what the UN says about Iraq's WMD programs.

sigh ... Now promise me you won't cry some more.

63 posted on 08/09/2003 4:10:58 PM PDT by snooker
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To: piasa
The best way to read a NY Times article is to remove all of the unsourced material. The reason we have to do this is because the NY Times has over time gained a reputation for just fabricating sources. So here is the REVISED version of this article :

... and don't forget to take out the parrot news channels that just repeat the OldYT fabrication as if it were true. You also need to compensate for the kooks and Dims media echo chamber effect.

64 posted on 08/09/2003 4:20:34 PM PDT by snooker
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To: Palm_OScar
Of course, of course. The hydrogen was used by the terrorists (and democraps) for floating TRIAL BALLOONS!

65 posted on 08/09/2003 4:23:07 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Why is this being trumpeted again, at this time?

It's the administrations attempt to defuse the story and make it "old news" while GW isn't available to me asked more embarrassing questions.

Richard W.

66 posted on 08/09/2003 4:55:36 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: piasa
Wow, so the "State" Dept. has all this information and all those guys in hidding and no one can find a single WMD. All very believeable. LOL

Richard W.

67 posted on 08/09/2003 5:01:38 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Almondjoy
"News organizations from around the world" for the most part just reprint things obtained from other papers, which is why they all read pretty much the same. "Newspapers around the world" reprint misinfo all the time, some of the more notable being total misquotes of Wolfowotz and Powell and even Bush himself, the Blair version of the Lynch story, the Baghdad Museum looting story, the Reuters' stroy which twisted a journalist's report totally out of recognition, the BBC's many screwups, etc. All of these were parrotted endlessly and mindlessly worldwide, yet all proved erronous, grossly so. Plagiarism and political propagandizing is rampant, and so is paraphrasing with or without credits. Either way, more often than not, material has been regurgitated and little original journalism is to be found these days.

That a line of bull is printed in "newspapers around the world" is no reason to assign articles with nothing but unnamed sources- or even named sources who haven't been in the biz for years but who have very blatant political connections to say, the Al Gore campaign- more credibility than a lone article from even an unknown journalist, much less an article from a journalist with named and not fictional sources.

Some articles just beg for sarcasm. Earlier reports were unsourced as well, at least every one I've seen. The only exception being the ever-hysterical Blix. One NY Times article even had the audacity to include a quote from a guy who hadn't even seen the trucks.

Speaking of that article, three teams of experts were sent to look at the trailers. Two of those teams were convinced that the vehicles were intended for the purpose of making germ agents. The third team - we are told by unnamed sources- was "sharply divided", but whether this division was two dissenters or more, is not clear. The third team, too, concluded that the labs were for bioweapons, and that only some on the team dissented. That NY Times article grossly exagerated the opinion of a small minority of unnamed and perhaps nonexistant experts on ONE team and attempted to imply that there was a sizable number of such people to anyone just skimming the article.

BTW, we've always had a policy of completing reports before releasing detailed findings. It's SOP for any inspection team, and in any case there hasn't been time enough to go over even a fraction of the documentation, all of which must first be translated.

68 posted on 08/09/2003 5:04:05 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: huck von finn
Huch, you are asking for trouble. Some people really NEED to believe the original scam story of mobile bio labs.

Richard W.

69 posted on 08/09/2003 5:08:08 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: arete
I was only trying to help. I knew I'd seen some posts about it somewhere. There are probably more...I think I posted one twice.
70 posted on 08/09/2003 6:01:51 PM PDT by huck von finn
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To: arete
Shows what you know. Even Blix found "a single" WMD. Not to mention other material which violated the terms of the original cease fire.

Read his report. The chemical shell was not destroyed as Iraq claimed, it was intact. We're not sure if Blixie had time to dig further, but there's reason to believe he didn't want to.

Your next response will probably be "ONE SHELL?"

To which I will say, "Why yes, one shell. I suppose you think Iraq only filled ONE shell with chemical weapons in the last decade, and used the remaining chemicals in the barrel, which of course was a one-time salesman's sample and not part of a larger manufacturing run, to kill the infamous corn borers that lurk in the Euphrates."

Of course, even THAT is more plausible than the idea that Iraq destroyed the other shells all by itself, making no effort to have the UN document it so it could get those sanctions lifted, and just "missed one."

Yeah, sure.

And Iraq had intended those modified drones to spray Goldbond powder on sweaty date harvesters.

And Iraq designed those modified warheads Blix mentioned in his report to disperse confetti for Uday's birthday party.

And Dr. Germ the bioweapons scientist really held down a job at Baskin al-Robins all along, which requires all of its ice cream store clerks to have advanced degrees in biochemistry so they can innoculate children using special Belgian chocolate and French vanilla flavoring. She couldn't POSSIBLY have been employed in a field which involves the very weapons she is a specialist in...

Give me a break. Even Blixie AND Iraq admitted to Iraq's having thousands of liters of anthrax, and even Blixie admitted Iraq had not proven even one teaspoon of it was disposed of, nor made an effort to have the UN team come in and destroy it for them. And that doesn't even count anything Iraq was estimated to be capable of producing with what it purchased and didn't claim.

Named sources have said that WMD have been found in Iraq from Kay to the PM of Australia, Blair and Bush. The best the press can do is cite unnamed sources.

We should have resumed fighting Iraq as soon as they violated the cease fire- which occured the moment they refused to turn over prisoners abducted from Kuwait, one of the most basic of the requirements that had to be met. Waiting years and years through violation after violation, finding after finding of WMD that had not been turned over, through every smuggling effort we caught them in, through every terrorist effort they supported, only let people get it into their heads that Iraq really hasn't been asking for it in every way possible all along.

71 posted on 08/09/2003 6:17:36 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Yes, but notice that it is the Arab-socialist-loving State Dept (again!!!!) that is trying to paper-over any evidence of actual (or implied) biological wepaons.....

Again!!!!

(But I concede - IN THIS INSTANCE ONLY - that the CIA/DOD source interviewed somebody who had direct knowledge of trailers actually used in biological warfare preps and transporation ....

But that THOSE TRAILERS are not these trailers....which could be havr used or hydrogen production ... except where are the hugh-pressure tanks, the mounts for the tanks (if the tanks themselves were ripped out), the weld points for the mounts, the hoses, pumps, foundations for the pumps, shock mounts for the pumps and power supplies, foundations for the valves and compressors, and the tubing and the valve consoles and the ballon mounts????????????????
72 posted on 08/09/2003 6:25:43 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: piasa
We're not sure if Blixie had time to dig further, but there's reason to believe he didn't want to.

Yeah sure. Blix didn't want to find them. LOL Too funny. You guys will believe anything. Seen Elvis lately?

Richard W.

73 posted on 08/09/2003 6:59:27 PM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Vinnie
This has got to be the dumbest explanation floating.

do you think the majority of expert engineers in the DIA who examined the trailers first hand and came to that conclusion are "dumb" ?

or perhaps you think they have some secret agenda. please enlighten us, oh un-dumb one.

74 posted on 08/09/2003 7:24:48 PM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: xzins
And the left wants us to believe weather baloons.

funny, i've never thought of the DIA as particularly leftist.

why are you so nervous about the mere possiblity that the trailers will turn out to be a dead end, like so many other "big finds" at one time reported in the media?

btw, if my question makes you uneasy, feel free to just ask me if i have "no shame nor patriotism." that'll get you through.

75 posted on 08/09/2003 7:40:41 PM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: piasa
that's really cute.
if you find some information uncomfortable, just pretend it doesn't exist. ta da.

hint on why the sources were unnamed:
the information they leaked was classified.

the question a curious person would ask next:
why is this information still classified while the report that reached an opposite conclusion was rushed to the public before the investigation was even complete?

one more question:
where does your implicit, almost child-like trust of our government spring from?

76 posted on 08/09/2003 7:54:29 PM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: jethropalerobber
You must be better than me.

I didn't see the name of a single source of information. Is there something "secret" about saying these things produced "hydrogen" that would make someone reluctant to give names?

Also, don't you find producing hydrogen via bacteria to be a whole lot more trouble than getting hydrogen is anywhere else in the world.

And don't you think admitting that it's a bio lab, but that it's for having bacteria make hydrogen to be a whole lot to ask someone to swallow?

77 posted on 08/09/2003 8:00:46 PM PDT by xzins
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To: George W. Bush
Saddam must have killed off most of the people who had any real brains.

It's pretty obvious that Middle Eastern tyrants have litle respect for human rights. That is as true now as it was in ancient Egypt when all those knowing a secret about a Pharoah's tomb were killed when their task was done.

Those that hid Saddam's weapons are not likely to be alive.

78 posted on 08/09/2003 8:18:31 PM PDT by thinktwice
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To: jethropalerobber
Wouldn't it far easier to use the battery in the engine compartment of the truck hauling this mobile fermenter around?
Two wires connected to the battery, a container of water and a jar, two jars if you wanted the oxygen from electrolysis.
Use the fermenter for beer, anthrax, staph, etc.
79 posted on 08/09/2003 8:28:58 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: snooker
Why do you insist on repeating yourself? Are you trying to make yourself feel better than you write based on your emotions and continue to not think logically? When you can actually think rather than react I'm sure you will find that we have the same position on Iraqi WMD's. Thanks for playing.
80 posted on 08/10/2003 9:42:18 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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