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Is the State Department on the Saudi Payroll?
frontpagemagazine/The Israel Resource Review ^ | August 4, 2003 | David Bedein

Posted on 08/04/2003 6:47:11 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 08/04/2003 6:47:11 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
2 posted on 08/04/2003 6:50:01 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
PLEASE let the rumors of Colin Powell not serve in Bush's next term be true....
3 posted on 08/04/2003 6:53:42 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: SJackson
Uhhhhhhhh . . The State Department has always operated "independently" (to be charitable) and has its own agenda, which is not always consonant with the best interest of either the people of the United States or Israel.

Anyone who believes Powell's successor will be able to change State's direction is delusional.

4 posted on 08/04/2003 6:59:31 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: SJackson
leaving the White House and Congress totally in the dark as to the reality of the Palestinian Authority

This statement absolves Bush and the Congress from any responsibility. I expect them to be more informed than the persons on this forum.

5 posted on 08/04/2003 7:02:45 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (I'll say someone in my family's Jewish, and my husband's black-does that get me more votes?)
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To: SJackson
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9213

Another article all should read

Contact Information Main address:
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street NW
Washington, DC 20520

Main Switchboard:
202-647-4000

Hotline for American Travelers:
202-647-5225

Public Communication Division:
PA/PL, Rm. 2206
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20520
202-647-6575

It is time to clean up this little fiefdom and throw out the dead wood. Freep away fellow Americans.

6 posted on 08/04/2003 7:06:53 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Sir Gawain; Light Speed
12. The US State Department, mandated by the US Congress to provide a critical analysis of the status of religious freedom inside the Palestinian Authority, issued a report in which it described the PA "transformation" of "Kever Yosef", Joseph's Tomb, into a mosque as an "act of religious freedom".

The Destruction of Joseph's Tomb: A Kabbalistic View
by Rabbi Pinchas Winston

7 posted on 08/04/2003 7:09:15 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Free Your Mind...5:15 DEBARIM)
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To: Catspaw
Write this on the palm of your hand and try and remember it. In this administration, there are no "loose cannons" at the Head of Cabinet level. Collin Powel does just what the President asks him to do. This is a coordinated team and they play "Good Cop - Bad Cop" very well.

Please take your conspiracy theories to the room marked "Paranoia".

8 posted on 08/04/2003 7:12:10 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: SJackson
A non-so appealing alternative to the status quo is having Congress have signficant influence at the State Department and by extension, US Foreign policy. The Congress who's forte is pork-barrel politics and following political whims is not necessarily an improvement over what we have now. Is having 635 people competing to have more influence on the world stage really better than a faceless foreign policy bureacracy?

I'm not arguing that the State Department does not need an overhaul but it is a part of the Excutive branch for a reason and it is accountable to the Secretary of State and ultimately to the President. Up until now, the State Department has been behaving the way it has because many Presidents and Secretaries of State wanted it that way - like it or not. To shift that oversight away from the Excutive branch to the Legislative branch undermines the Constitution and the powers of the President.

Recent failings in the State Department is not an excuse to run roughshod over the Constitution.

9 posted on 08/04/2003 7:22:49 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: SJackson
Dear President Bush and members of the 108th congress of the United States of America:

We the people of India would like thank you for your representation within your government without any taxation. We appreciate the free education granted to us via the tax dollars of the citizens of the United States and we also appreciate the business you provide us via those same tax dollars. We are so happy that you are willing to represent us, the people of India, without taxation all the while discontinuing your representation of the citizens of the United States, while taxing them and giving us their tax dollars. As much help as you have given us, exporting all of your jobs here, giving us billions in aid, making sure your citizens give up their jobs for us, free education, we almost think that your families are from India. We feel so sorry for your citizens, whom we have displaced with their own tax dollars, that we would like to start a relief fund and help provide for their unemployment benefits as you continue to provide for us and ignore your own citizens. Soon I am sure it will be the United States of India as we are all proud here to have you on board. Mr. President, we are so happy you are just like your father, ignoring your own citizens and giving the rest of the world all of your money. We in kind will continue to ship mangoes to the United States to help feed the unemployed until the eventual collapse of your country.
Sincerely,


Mahatma Gupta.
10 posted on 08/04/2003 7:23:37 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: logician2u
Anyone who believes Powell's successor will be able to change State's direction is delusional.

That's why they need to hire me for Secretary of State ...

My first act : "State dep't weenies one and all ... YOU'RE FIRED"

Second act: Hire the 5th Marine Infantry regiment's NCOs for ambassadors to various countries.

Third act: Send Drill Instructors as diplomats to key locations, like France, China and Germany.

11 posted on 08/04/2003 7:35:26 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: samuel_adams_us
Seems like old Mahatma has hit the nail on the head. The tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory seems to run in the Bush family.
12 posted on 08/04/2003 7:42:56 AM PDT by american spirit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION = NATIONAL SUICIDE)
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To: Redleg Duke
Write this on the palm of your hand and try and remember it. In this administration, there are no "loose cannons" at the Head of Cabinet level. Collin Powel does just what the President asks him to do. This is a coordinated team and they play "Good Cop - Bad Cop" very well.

Gee whiz, thanks for sharing.

I want Powell and the rest of the Arabists at State GONE.

13 posted on 08/04/2003 8:36:15 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Centurion2000
I am Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, your Senior Drill Instructor United States Ambassador. From now on, you will speak only when spoken to, and the first and last words out of your filthy sewers will be "Sir!"

Do you maggots understand that?

(With thanks to Full Metal Jacket).

14 posted on 08/04/2003 8:39:23 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Paranoia is when you realize that tin foil hats just focus the mind control beams.)
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To: SJackson; Jeremiah Jr
The past State Dept lean and coersion on behalf of the Arab is evident...yet the present workings of the Bush admin has to some degree bypassed the State Dept..leaving them and their Saudi buddies in the lurch.

Its clear the Bush admin ties a functional..legitimate Palestinian State as a neccessary need in regards to geostrategic projection in the mid east.
Yet Bush can be seen to be accountable..in regards to terror and funding.
The Palestinians may spin endlessly thier demand game..yet it is connected to the painfull reality that the Bush admin marks them for fiscal accountability and performance in dissasembling the terror orgs which exist.

Sharon may be dressed down for the wall..yet the reality is forwarded to Abu Mazen..."No terror org dissasembly....no funding..wall remains"...you choose.

Israel is releasing murderers...ammending check points..restraining its response to how many violations known since so called Hudna came into effect.
Sharon is putting away chips for the game board...Abu Mazen is becomming more dependent on the U.S. for his support and image projection.
Arrafat may find himself out for good soon..and it will be Abu Mazen signing his banishment.
Road map has a time scale to it...things may drop off until after elections...afterwards..a more direct movement may occur..with people within Mazens sphere being dressed down on final..or simply removed.
Mazen may become a Martyr to...if he should be killed by any group outside Washingtons acceptance in parlay....the vacumn of the event would require a house cleaning for certain..with support from within the Palestinian community to remove those who are hindering the formation of the P.A. state.

I suspect there will be more drama comming soon in regards to all this.
I suspect Arafat see's this comming aswell..and may rather be in control one final time..before he is absolutley irrelevant.

A program aired recently on Qatar.
The progress by the Amir and his wife is amazing.
DOHA is bursting with huge building projects.
Women can vote..participate in social governence..aquire schooling.
Democracy is openly seen as the kingdoms best path..and is being commited to on a scale which must make the Saudi Royal family shake.

Bush is leaving the Saudi's to stagger in the desert for a while...get their act together.
If not...the U.S. will aquire increased oil purchases thru Nigeria..who is currently entering into partnership increasing with the U.S. oil consortiums and gov.
Nigeria's oil is low sulpher...they are capable of a near 50% increase in production via infostructure upgrade..which is the current negotiation via the U.S.
Nigeria is being dined to withdraw from OPEC too.

The Saudi's are finding their chickens comming home to roost.
Evident momentum is occuring in the mid east..as nations alligned to the Axis of Evil discover their powerplay is blown..with their missile systems used as extorion realities now be laughed at by Israel and the U.S.
North Korea is seeing thier missile supply side game undone..with partners in Iran and Syria wincing at the reality that thier game peices[missiles] are just wal mart version..and useless as proxy to gain political concession.
The mid east is not ready to run to Europe to throw in on the Euro fiscal ride...OPEC has lost alot of its negotiating stance.
Things are moving slowly...nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia are being gamed out...as their proxy sisters in all things Jihad or Islamic projection begin to knuckle under to U.S.'s presence in the region.
Nations like Syria...beginning to think about having a chair ..when the music stops.

Bush has probably purchased a decades respite in the persuit of WMD by pyschotics in the region.
If he is strong in lead up to 2008..America may continue the course with a new Republican President..the mid east will see this as a certain reality..that the ones bringing them to account..and offering them credible change..are not going to be quitting the design.

There are those upset with the Bush admins stance on a Palestinian State,,this seen as a direct rebellion to several realities.
yet too..the U.S. is purchasing change in the region..and the cost is high in lives,service demand..and fiscal projection.
There are things afoot that I disagree with..yet on the whole..the change in the region is positive in many ways..
much better than Israel bombing up with penetrating Nuclear munitions to clean Iran,Syria and The Lebanon out of missiles in deep underground facilites..with the certain backlash to follow on afterwards.
I suspect Israels clear conveyance that they will do these nations regardless..at a certain time interval in the near future...led to much of the U.S.'s drive to go on IRAQ,and bring executive leverage to the region.

15 posted on 08/04/2003 8:42:41 AM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Gabrielle Reilly
Ping
16 posted on 08/04/2003 9:00:40 AM PDT by knighthawk (We all want to touch a rainbow, but singers and songs will never change it alone. We are calling you)
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To: Light Speed
Speaking of Qatar...

Hebrew for 06999 Kuf-Tet-Reish
Pronunciation Guide qatar {kaw-tar'}

a primitive root [identical with 07000 through the idea of fumigation in a close place and perhaps thus driving out the occupants]
Part of Speech v, n m, n f

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to sacrifice, burn incense, burn sacrifices, make sacrifices smoke
a) (Piel)
1) to make sacrifices smoke
2) to sacrifice
b) (Pual) to smoke a sacrifice
c) (Hiphil)
1) to make sacrifices smoke
2) to cause incense to smoke, offer incense
3) to make smoke upon
d) (Hophal) to be made to smoke n m
2) incense n f
3) incense-altar

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 117

AV - incense 59, burn 49, offer 3, kindle 1, offering 1, misc 4; 117

Exodus 29:13 And thou shalt take 03947 all the fat 02459 that covereth 03680 the inwards 07130, and the caul 03508 [that is] above the liver 03516, and the two 08147 kidneys 03629, and the fat 02459 that [is] upon them, and burn 06999 [them] upon the altar 04196.

Exodus 29:18 And thou shalt burn 06999 the whole ram 0352 upon the altar 04196: it [is] a burnt offering 05930 unto the LORD 03068: it [is] a sweet 05207 savour 07381, an offering made by fire 0801 unto the LORD 03068.

Exodus 29:25 And thou shalt receive 03947 them of their hands 03027, and burn 06999 [them] upon the altar 04196 for a burnt offering 05930, for a sweet 05207 savour 07381 before 06440 the LORD 03068: it [is] an offering made by fire 0801 unto the LORD 03068.

17 posted on 08/04/2003 9:11:52 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (Free Your Mind...5:15 DEBARIM)
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To: KarlInOhio
Anyone want to start a petition to draft R. Lee Ermey for SecState?
18 posted on 08/04/2003 9:17:11 AM PDT by AngryJawa
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To: logician2u; SJackson
<< Uhhhhhhhh . . The State Department has always operated "independently" (to be charitable) and has its own agenda, which is not always consonant with the best interest of either the people of the United States or Israel.

Anyone who believes Powell's successor will be able to change State's direction is delusional. >>

Well said.

Our Nation has no worse enemies than those who comprise Foggy Bottom's insidiously-evil, self-annointed and self-perpetuating, Rooesvelt-esquely fascisocialist, Alger-Hiss-cloned, Soviet-agent descended internationalist Brahmanas.

Foul and deviant and corrupt and Foreign-[er] Service-[ing] to the last grovelling, supercillious and snivellingly sychophantic un-and-anti-American girlyman.

19 posted on 08/04/2003 9:40:07 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SJackson
The US State Department acts independently of US congressional approval, leaving the White House and Congress totally in the dark............

Perhaps officially.........

I think if the dots are connected, we might see who is pulling the strings................
20 posted on 08/04/2003 9:48:20 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Deficit $455,000,000,000 + MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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