Report on 9/11 Suggests a Role by Saudi Spies; may have reported to Saudi government

New York Times ^ | 08-01-03

[GOPJ]

This needs to be investigated? Innocent? They're not innocent. In totalitarian societies, word of mouth is the communication coin of the realm, and everyone knows everything. Is terrorism the bored rich man's hobby?

U.S. investigators are setting out anew to determine whether the connections are innocent coincidences in an Islamic culture that urges charitable support or a pattern of pro-terror money and patronage flowing from the wealthy kingdom that is a longtime U.S. ally, according to government officials familiar with those efforts.

[L`enn]

The winning combination to resonate with the American people is the following :

Anti-Free Trade
Anti-Immigration
Pro-Life and other "morality" issues
Outing the Saudis

Unfotunately the only one that has voiced this has been Buchanon, but the media has demonized him so that however clearly he states the position, the message is lost. The Pubs need an eloquent spokesman to carry this platform but I do not see it happening. There is noone lining anyone's pocket to speak out. These are truly populist positions in need of a prophet.

Bush is a good President, a good leader, and 300 percent better than anyone the Dems have to offer, but what this nation needs now is the foundations laid in those 4 principles. Bush is sour on 3 of them and lukewarm at best on the 4th.

[okie01]

Outing the Saudis

Don't you think winning the War on Terrorism might be a tad more important than just "outing the Saudis".

The one may involve the other...when the time is ripe. But let's keep our eye on the ball.

[truth_seeker]

"At some point we're going to have to annihilate the S.A. "mothership". I don't think we're ready yet. I don't know what the plan is but I do believe there is one. As GWB says: "At a time and place of our choosing". Meanwhile we're strategically positioned in Iraq."

I think the Bush strategy is to let the Congress and his opponents be the ones to raise this issue:

"Shouldn't we be doing something about Saudi Arabia?"

That way when the time is chosen, it won't just be his war.

Separately, I listened on CSPAN to a Senate sub-committe chaired by Sen Collins of Maine (with Sen. Specter in a lead role).

It came out repeatedly that the State Department stopped the listing of "charitable" organizations, for terrorism.

I think Bush is letting Newt and committees like this, bring attention to State Dept. complicity in playing far too easy, with many muslim and Saudi groups.

There will be widespread knowledge and information, at the Congressional level, for severe ultimatums, which could trigger further military efforts.

In due time.

[okie01]

"So instead we have a media frenzy of "inconclusive, contradictory evidence mixed with half-baked speculation"...

"That is preferable?"

Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. I'm not in a position to know. So, I guess we'll have to trust the ones who are, huh?

[AmericanVictory]

More accurately, Saudi Arabia is the treasurer and funder of terrorism. It will be interesting to see how they react as they suddenly realize that their oil funds are going to dry up in a few short years and the lever is no longer in their hands and how the terrorist Wahhabi clergy react when they have to face the reality that entrepreneurial technology in the West is suddenly taking away the oil wealth that they preach that Allah gave them to kill infidels with, and that it is happening outside of our federal government which they so skillfully control.

[AmericanVictory]

What exactly have Senator Shumer and his Democrat colleagues done to end our dependence on Saudi oil these last twenty-some years except talk about it and promote marginal alternatives? Please give us a list.

[AmericanVictory]

When will our government and political establishment stop tippy toeing around the fact that the so-called charity and religious funding of the Saudi elite consist of building thousnds of mosques in America and elsewhere that are centers of preaching hatred for all who do not adhere to virulant Saudi-style flat-earth Wahhabism and the takeover of all countries by Sharia theocracy, a policy which is only sustained as a delusion by our leaders' refusal to end our dependence on Saudi, Muslim and Islamic-controlled oil?

[AmericanVictory]

You will soon see the prospect of better fuel economy, more oil and more energy, all cleaner and cheaper and simpler with a corresponding prospect of decentralization away from Detroit and the return of the center of energy creation to America and this hemisphere from offshore where big oil has taken it surface in California. Watch what the political aspirants and the incumbents do and whether, unlike our natioaal leaders, they are willing to face the truth about the Saudis and terror's funding, do something about it and win the war.

[FairOpinion]

There is a good WSJ editorial posted a few days ago, which I jsut cae across:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/953720/posts

"House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss says his experiences releasing this report brought home the inherent schizophrenia of this charge. "Thursday was a weird day for me," he tells us. In the morning we had an open hearing where the discussion was on weapons of mass destruction and the whole tenor was that the President did too much based on too little. Then in the afternoon, at a joint meeting on 9/11, it turned 180 degrees and suddenly the complaint was, 'Oh my goodness, he did too little with too much.'"

The Democrats want it both ways, whatever suits their political purposes at the time.

[eldoradude]

The Saudis are not our 'friends'. They never have been, and they never will be. They are animals. I lived in London, in the Centre Point Apartments for 6 weeks in 1974. The previous tenant was Sheik Yamani, the Saudi oil minister at that time. The women in his 'entourage' were locked in their rooms for days at a time, using the rug for a toilet. I found this out by asking the maids about the odd smell when the windows were shut. They showed me photos of the piles on the floor the next day. Ugh.

On a lighter note, most of the glass covering the lights in the hallway had been cracked by the Harlem Globetrotters. Nice bunch of guys, but they'd get a little rowdy trying to play basketball in the halls.

[flamefront]

If it comes from a "congressional report" it is NEVER EVER classified.

Do you want to talk about the impeachment materials in the Ford Bldg.? Sometimes Congress overclassifies its documents.

But nevertheless, the one thing in this article that is significant is the matter of

Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government.

and

The report says that "one of the F.B.I.'s best sources in San Diego informed the F.B.I. that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer."

Mere conjecture? I think not, especially when there is no countervailing reason denying the connection between al-Bayoumi and the Saudi govt.

BTW, the NY Times is last in line with this story. LORENA MONGELLI and DEBORAH ORIN covered it in the NY Post on the 28th of July.

To the victor go the oils. No oil or oil-money for islamofascist weapons of mass annihilation. Take The oil away from the Saudis! They have misused it.

[FairOpinion]

"What exactly have Senator Shumer and his Democrat colleagues done to end our dependence on Saudi oil these last twenty-some years "

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They are the ones who are keeping us dependent on Saudi oil, because they won't allow drilling in ANWR.

[AmericanVictory]

In the ten years that it would take to begin production from drilling in ANWR, we wont need conventional pumping and drilling, we'll hve hte oil by better technology in the lower 48.

[Courier]

"Should be for everyone."

Should be for everyone here.

You have to be a chimp not to understand that ALL Islamic terrorism flows from Saudi Arabia, in one way or another.

It is almost obscene that we went after Iraq, no question Saddam was evil, but Iraq has not been responsible for the harm done by Saudi Arabia. Americans die is Iraq, Saudis get invited to Crawford, a rare honor.

Not only did we not punish the Whabbi beasts but we adopted their "Road Map" to destroy Israel.

I never thought I would get more disgusted by political supporters then I did with those who supported a probable rapist, Bill Clinton, ignoring all evidence.

The difference between Clinton and Bush is that Monica got on her knees before Clinton while Bush is on his knees before the Saudis.

Tell the truth, Bush worshipers, which is worse.

OR

[dutyhonorcountry]

I just don't understand.

1. As I am led to believe, it is a violation of federal law to publish or discuss classified material in the open. Wouldn't the individual(s) who "leaked" this information to the Times be in violation of that law?

2. If so, would the journalists who wrote the article and the Times itself share in the legal responsibility for knowingly publishing information from a classified source?

[optimistically_conservative]

I take it you've never heard of the Pentagon Papers?

[optimistically_conservative]

It is almost obscene that we went after Iraq, no question Saddam was evil, but Iraq has not been responsible for the harm done by Saudi Arabia.

Another idealist. What happened to the conservative realists, or even the neo-realists, the strategists?

[Courier]

How would you like a similar strategy if, for example, you needed a heart bypass.

Instead of operating on your heart, the surgeon would amputate your throbbing big toe.

The problem is the Saudis. First and foremost.

[tet68]

One wonders just how many thousands of people have read
this "classified" report?

Just once, once, I like to see heads roll.