Posted on 07/30/2003 8:03:21 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
LOL You can't have it both ways. You've made it very clear, you don't support the President and infer he is a liar. On top of that you continue to spread the liberals propaganda here on FreeRepublic. Take that crap over to one of the Bush bashing forums like DU, Original Dissent or Liberty Post.
Btw, you're no Republican either!
I am not having it both ways. I am praising my president for the things he does well and questioning the possibility that what he told us about the WMD may not have been completely true. I am also noting that if it turns out that he was not truthful that I will not blindly offer my support.
One major premise of FreeRepublic, as stated on the main page, is “to root out political fraud”. This is not merely a Republican admiration society. Some of us actually use our brains and judge conservatives on their merits and thus can offer praise when warranted and offer criticism when just.
Only children (and Democrats) are afraid to criticize those they admire. I suggest you grow up.
Exactly.
Even if it turns out not to have been true, remember that the rest of the world believed those claims as well. It may have been a mistake (although I doubt that), but it was a mistake based on intelligence that everyone in the world believed.
I agree. And nothing would make me happier than for our troops to discover and destroy those weapons – and soon.
As I said earlier in this thread, if it turns out that there are no WMD, I believe the President acted out of concern for the safety of America and his decision was based on the best intelligence available to him. But, he is the Commander-in chief and is responsible for the lives of our soldiers. If they were sent into combat based on false intelligence then he must be held accountable for his decisions. This is not a political game. This concerns the lives of American men and women. They cannot be given up to a cause based on bad intelligence and then forgotten as a “mistake”. President Bush (and others in his administration) will sadly have to pay the consequences.
I tried to tell you, patience is a virtue.
I am so happy that so many of us will get to say to so many others, I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
However, if he does not – if he, in effect, lied to the American people, he has little chance for my support. I don’t support politicians, of any persuasion, who lie about matters that affect the lives of our servicemen.
Neither do I. I don't agree that not finding the WMD's constitutes a lie on Bush's part, but that is very soon going to be a moot point.
If you think Republicans will support him if WMD are not found, I think you are dreaming (and blindly foolish). Republicans are not that dumb. We are not like Democrats who blindly support any liberal.
I think any Republicans that refuse to support him if WMD are NOT FOUND, are basing their decisions on what the MEDIA and DEMOCRATS tell them to do. It depends on whether one is depending on ACTUAL STATEMENTS or WHAT WE THINK HE MEANT. But one can go too far in playing word games, like Clinton, where the meaning of words like SEX and IS are distorted to avoid admitting the truth.
Here, the line is and should be a little more clear, as we trust the President to LEAD and not MISLEAD us. For him to IMPLY that we should TRUST his word about Saddam and WMD's and Terrorists,etc., is what really are arguing about, not his actual words.
In that context, I agree with you. If you find out he lied or made implications that are unfounded, then you should never trust him again.
If you find out he is TELLING THE TRUTH, and there is even more than you ever imagined to tell, WHAT WILL YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE ONES THAT DOUBTED HIM?
Again, Thank you for providing intelligent conversation and debate. More like you are needed on FR.
As if there were going to actually be someone in the media that would be truthful. That would not be concerned with keeping his job, getting pay raises, etc.
It was said a LONG LONG TIME AGO, by a retiring newspaper man, before many of us were even born, that anyone that believed that ANYTHING in the news media that was released to the public, was pure unadulterated truth, was in for a shock.
O'Reilly, and any other news figure, is a human being. They need money to survive, the more the better. They are not there FOR THE TRUTH, as they rarely are even allowed to tell the truth. Most of the time they are not given the truth, and they know it is not true.
THEY ARE THERE TO MAKE A LIVING. Whatever it takes. Ask Geraldo.
Faultering in your eyes does not bother O'Reilly one bit. Faultering in the ratings does. That's all that counts to them. When it is all you are measured by, you come to respond to it and it only.
If you had bothered to read my posts you would know that I don’t expect President Bush to produce the WMD right now – and if you bothered to listen to O’Reilly you would know that he also does not expect the same.
I did read your posts, and I do not listen to O'Reilly. Ever.
To those that doubted him out of honest concern for our military, I would say “Thank you”. Anyone who holds the power of life and death over our military personal should be held to the highest scrutiny. There is absolutely nothing more precious than the lives of those who are willing to sacrifice them to the cause of freedom. That power is not to be taken lightly nor granted without reservation.
To those that doubted him out of spite, political posturing, media ratings or in an effort to besmirch the man’s good name and honor, I would say “F#@! you”.
I am greatly heartened by today’s report from David Kay and I anxiously await further details. However, I am old enough to recall scores of CIA pronouncements that somehow never panned out to be true.
By the way, you don’t have to shout in uppercase – I can read.
Nothing wrong with being skeptical. It's just that some of us can 'see' good and evil, and ya gotta have faith!~
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