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Anti-Europeanism in America
The Hoover Digest ^ | Spring 2003 | Timothy Garton Ash

Posted on 07/20/2003 12:32:57 PM PDT by quidnunc

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To: Billthedrill
Your entire post is on point, though without the sardonicism that has long been associated with the Billthedrill brand. (You didn't perchance franchise out your username, did you?)

Anti-American sentiment in Europe, on the other hand, is a long-established set of cultural and political stances that has proven useful in the past mostly as a convenient dissociation from the grittier and less congenial aspects of opposing the Soviet Union.

Having spent the first half of the 1980s in West Germany, I know that rabid anti-Americanism is nothing new in Europe; Americans just weren't aware of it.

22 posted on 07/20/2003 3:51:01 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: quidnunc
Militarily, Europeans can’t get it up.

;^)

23 posted on 07/20/2003 4:10:48 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (Let them eat cake.)
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To: WOSG
I believe it about the politics of left gaining supremacy and destroying the host that leftist parasitism attached itself to.

But why does the parasitic left wish to destroy its host, and thus itself? Because it is self-hating?

24 posted on 07/20/2003 5:16:22 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: McGavin999
They are like those relatives who come to your house for dinner and stay for a month expecting you to pick up the tab for entertaining them.

You mean they are like...Australians?

25 posted on 07/20/2003 5:23:03 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (Sometimes they come back...)
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To: quidnunc
Pens are dipped in acid and lips curled to pillory “the Europeans,” also known as “the Euros,” “the Euroids,” “the ’peens,” or “the Euroweenies.”

My favorite is Eurinals.....

26 posted on 07/20/2003 5:28:21 PM PDT by NeoCaveman ("I don't need the Bush tax cut. I never worked a f****** day in my life. Patrick Kennedy D-RI)
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To: Beowulf .50cal
Part of Asia, definitely. South America? Well, they may have made some little camps there and a number of converts, but the average South American is too fond of music, drink, festivies and the opposite sex to give all that up.
27 posted on 07/20/2003 5:35:06 PM PDT by coydog (Out with Chretien!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Eur funny.
28 posted on 07/20/2003 5:36:01 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (Sometimes they come back...)
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To: mrustow
rustow wrote: Having spent the first half of the 1980s in West Germany, I know that rabid anti-Americanism is nothing new in Europe; Americans just weren't aware of it.

Americans weren't aware of the anti-Americanism rampant in a lot of places, Canada for instance.

Most of us going abroad as tourists dealt almost exclusively with people whose best interests depended on not cheesing off the 'Ummies' who spent lots of money in their businesses.

It wasn't until the aftermath of 9/11 that we gradually began to become aware of how foreigners in various nations abroad really feel about the U.S.

29 posted on 07/20/2003 6:15:35 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Eurotrash is my favorite.
30 posted on 07/20/2003 6:21:57 PM PDT by bfree (Liberals are EVIL!!!)
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To: expatpat
They destroy the host culture and the success it brings because the Left is irrational as well as 'self-hating' (also imho it is more hating of life and human freedom than self).

I think Schumpeter had a few words to say on this matter back in the 1940s. He thought captialism was unable to sustain itself for cultural reasons.
31 posted on 07/20/2003 6:23:43 PM PDT by WOSG (We liberated Iraq. Now Let's Free Cuba, North Korea, Iran, China, Tibet, Syria, ...)
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To: mrustow; Carthago delenda est; WaterDragon
I can't indulge myself in too much caricature if I am to avoid insulting those Europeans who I truly respect, who certainly did step to the forefront in Cold War alliance and did everything that could be asked of them and more. The author alludes to this in mentioning that the British are, by and large, exempt from Europe-bashing. It is more than only the Brits, of course, and some of them may well read this. To them I send my deep gratitude and apologies for being caught unfairly in the crossfire.

But as WaterDragon pointed out, it is a crossfire for the first time in a long time. I think that reflexive anti-American cant has been such an integral feature of the European cultural continuum for so long and so unopposed, that a sudden avalanche of retaliation comes as a shock to those who have become so accustomed to it as to treat it as a natural environment.

I am in complete agreement with Carthago delenda est concerning the makeup and nature of the "new class." The relation of its denizens to their academic roots is crucial to understanding their conviction that they are, in fact, not only smarter than everyone else but smart enough to succeed in dictating not only the rules of discourse but the rules of behavior as well. Their type of fond reliance on reason - their version of reason, at least - tends to have unpleasant consequences the first time it attempts to con a brute with a club that he is not in charge and that they are. The Cambodian tragedy is a case in point. When that happens this class tends to rely on its own brutes with clubs, safe in the delusion that they, too, will go back in their box once the fighting is over. It is the fond fantasy of a history-ignorant fool and a second-rate intellect.

It is partly our own fault for failing to make a measured response to anti-American agitation in Europe prior to this. The difficulty is that it must be allowed if we are to remain true to our own self-professed principles of free speech, but to ignore it and then to open the firehose once the threshold is reached is a sort of passive-aggressive behavior pattern to which America is often prone. That threshold, IMHO, was 9/11, and much of Europe is to be faulted as well for failing to realize just how much 3000 dead in a flaming atrocity really did change the world, at least for their countrymen.

I can't, on the whole, think of the wave of anti-European expression in the U.S. as anything much more than a long-overdue corrective, however. Not all of the people shouting "Death to America" are deluded group-thinkers who are merely going along with the crowd. Some are our real, bitter enemies, and have been operating unanswered for far too long.

32 posted on 07/20/2003 6:56:21 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Beowulf .50cal
Question: what is it about Islam that Turd Worlders find so attractive? Was communism attractive in the same manner? Just curious...

Empowerment. Islam and Communism both appeal to weak, discontented, envious people who want to be in a position to screw their enemies.

33 posted on 07/20/2003 7:29:51 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Billthedrill
Billthedrill wrote: It is partly our own fault for failing to make a measured response to anti-American agitation in Europe prior to this.

Prior to Bush being elected thaere wasn't anything serious to get upset with the Eurodorks over.

There was some sneering and sniping about our support of the death penalty, the Second Amendment and such-like, but nothing that was really a burr under the saddle of the average American.

That changed with 9/11 and anti-Americanism in Europe and elsewhere is on full display and Americans are less willing to overlook it than formerly.

In other words a lot of foreigners are now finding that they're walking on the fighting side of Middle America and they're shocked, absolutely shocked!

34 posted on 07/20/2003 8:11:37 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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