Why I Outsource Offshore

Friday, July 18, 2003 | Me

[FoxPro]

I don't really believe he sold his soul (then again, maybe he has - who knows?).

I would sell my soul tonight for 1 rational horney woman,

[Lael]

He broke no laws and persecuted no one. Perhaps we should try to walk a mile in his shoes.

He spoke eloquently about his wife's SLAPDOWN, and how he misses "the VAGINA" that delivered his Children!!

My Vagina can relate to that!!!

At a time that a MAN loses his sense of self [9-11], IN THE NAME OF G_D be understanding.!!!

[Roscoe]

It's a really good piece. You should submit it for publication.

[RaceBannon]

What do I do?

Right now, my full time job IS TO FIND A FULL TIME JOB!!

Get it yet? People like you are one of the reasons I cant find work. You didn't hire an American, you hired a Russian, and you think you are so smart because you 'found' something to keep you busy.

What you did was help keep an American out of a job.

Thanks for sharing.

[RaceBannon]

Perhaps we should try to walk a mile in his shoes.

His shoes walked away from his own country. He willingly took a position that hires non Americans to do work for Americans, While still in America!

What he did was abandon his countrymen all the while he himself knew perfectly what they were suffering because of his own knowlege and experience in the field.

What he did was allow another slave wage organization to take the place of His Own Countrymen who went to school, paid their dues, and played the game as they were taught, but cannot find work because a Communist country decided to get involved in the operation.

There is such a thing as keeping integrity while remaining employed.

I have been unemployed for 17-18 weeks now, you dont see me going to work at the local strip bar

or casino,

or abortion clinic, do you?

[palmer]

Whether it was made in Japan or in the US is besides the point with you.

Some people care, some don't. You obviously don't. Amana and Kenmore made refridgerators in America. They are sold at Sears, but as sinkspur says, you shouldn't shop at Sears because WalMart has the same stuff cheaper. And while you are there you can use your savings to buy some extra chinese-made crap.

[austinTparty]

Since when does globalization mean global governance???

Heaven forfend! I am against any supranational organization which usurps sovereignity: UN, World Court... Globalization refers to the increasing economic interconnectedness inherent in widely practiced trade.

Consider this passage from the Englishman Sir Henry Parnell, who published a book entitled "On Financial Reform". A quote from this book:

"If once men were allowed to take their own way, they would very soon, to the great advantage of society, undeceive the world of the error of restricting trade, and show that the passage of merchandise from one state to another ought to be as free as air and water. Every country should be as a general and common fair for the sale of goods, and the individual and nation which makes the best commodity should find the greatest advantage."

And add to that this quote from Jefferson:

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none."

And there you have it in a nutshell.

[RockyMtnMan]

Perhaps we should try to walk a mile in his shoes.

Oh my G*d, you actually read and understood the whole initial post?

No offense FoxPro but I could easily do your job, except my team would hail from India (already have contacts). The problem is I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I did. It's good to see that you got past that little thing called a conscience.

A man of God would not willfully screw his fellow man for a paycheck. Sounds like you got past that little issue pretty quick.

[PuNcH]

You would think Jefferson a socialist because he would use the constitution to look out for America's interests instead of communist china. There is no free trade. We are not conducting free trade now.

All the that someone needs is a little double speak in the title and most "conservatives" are fooled so completely they'll call the constitution socialism and slave labor "free trade".

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations -- entangling alliances with none."

This results in something quite a bit different than the englishman's shortsightedness.

[M Kehoe]

I will let you decide.

Adapt and overcome is what I always say. Now go out and increase your billable rate.

5.56mm

[harpseal]

Okay, first, you are doing what you have to do given the current rules of the game. Of course what you are also doing is making the argument for tariffs on softweare coming into the USA given the differences in cost of people and the simple fact that there is also political risk in what you are doing. Remember that software engineering is a critical defense skill also as such it does have a case for protection from that standpoint alone.

Would tariffs on the products you import the software, destroy your business or you personally? No. However, they would provide a better overall standard of living within the USA, and maintain a vital industry.

[RockyMtnMan]

Actually just wait until he has to compete with IBM's offshoring group. They are promising up to 80% reductions in cost of development with the IBM name behind it. IBM has done a great job of driving the little guys out of the game domestically. Why does anyone think their offshoring effort will be any less successful?

[harpseal]

A couple of questions.

Do you maintain political risk insurance and/or currency convertability insurance?

Have you tried hiring Amnerican programmers for the same rates you pay Russian programmers?

I have read through this entire thread and as I stated before this thread is one of the best arguments for a short term tariff on imported software. but the two questions asked aqbove are also very significant.

[Wolfie]

Just one more step down toward a Third World America. People piss and moan about illegals crossing the Mexican border to take American jobs, but outsourcers are just capitalists, so its no problem. Go figure.

[William Terrell]

When you have a global economy, you have to have global agencies to govern it. An economy is what a government is based on. No economy, no government; conversly once you have a government, an economy follows. The two are inseperatable. Once you have global governance in one area, the the other areas just naturally follow.

People resist a global regime, as you do. But people can be halfstepped into anything. Incrementalism makes it hard to draw a line. With small changes, drawing a line in the sand can be easily spun as stubborn and intransigent, making the act politically infeasible. The economy is a big halfstep, which is why it is advanced first.

But if we do not draw that line, we will find ourselves minor characters in a science fiction story about a future abusive world power.

[RockyMtnMan]

You pretty much nailed it.

glob·al·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (glb-lzm)
n.

A national geopolitical policy in which the entire world is regarded as the appropriate sphere for a state's influence.

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global·ist n.

[LibertyAndJusticeForAll]

"People resist a global regime, as you do. But people can be halfstepped into anything. Incrementalism makes it hard to draw a line. With small changes, drawing a line in the sand can be easily spun as stubborn and intransigent, making the act politically infeasible. The economy is a big halfstep, which is why it is advanced first.

But if we do not draw that line, we will find ourselves minor characters in a science fiction story about a future abusive world power."

This is a very good point and well put. The blue collar workers were hardly noticed when their jobs left the country. Now that the middle-class is being gutted, and at such a rapid pace, Globalism is being noticed by at least some of America.
There is a disconnect though; those who believe in "free trade" fail to see that we do not and probably never will achieve "free trade". Their indoctrination is so complete that they are blind to the enormous Trade Deficit and 200 years of Protectionist Tariffs in America. (Those would be the first 200 years that built a strong country and a stable middle-class.)
More importantly, they fail to see that they are falling into the hands of the Globalists.
I'm not sure what the next step will be, a one-world currency? Erase the borders? It's around the corner.

[William Terrell]

I'm not sure what the next step will be, a one-world currency? Erase the borders? It's around the corner.

Erase the borders. 1) sovereignties are trying to do it already and 2) global "free" trade implys no political boundries.

[BlazingArizona]

I would sell my soul tonight for 1 rational horney woman...

Just don't tell her you're in IT.