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Loud Applause for Mel Gibson's New Film "The Passion" is Awakening Deaf Ears in Hollywood
News Pundit.net ^ | 7/18/2003 | Douglas Oliver

Posted on 07/18/2003 11:12:44 AM PDT by ex-Texan

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To: Huck
And he has not seen the movie either but is basing his opinion of it on the trailer.

It wasn't simply the fact that they hadn't seen the movie:

Strangely, the criticism comes mostly from critics who have not even seen the movie but were basing their attacks on an old draft version of the script.

Its fair to infer from the context that the people whom he is criticizing hadn't seen even the trailer, "but were basing their attacks on an old draft version of the script." In contrast, this reviewer said he'd seen the trailer and that based on what he saw, it looked impressive.

He never said that the movie was a great movie. He was pointing out that some pundits seem to be condemning it based on nothing more than outdated information. Seems like a pretty fair criticism to me.

41 posted on 07/18/2003 1:26:24 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Thorondir
Then why did you say this?

but if you keep spewing the bitter hatred

That's a rather strong statement to make with no basis.

42 posted on 07/18/2003 1:37:08 PM PDT by Huck
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To: XJarhead
All very fascinating. I agree with #7.
43 posted on 07/18/2003 1:38:11 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
It's what I and others perceived from you. If I am wrong, and I don't think I am, then I apologize.

Peace.
44 posted on 07/18/2003 1:38:50 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Huck
It SEEMS like you object to any buildup of this particular film. Why?
45 posted on 07/18/2003 1:40:03 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Map Kernow
Googled ADL and Passion and found an online version of the ADL's statement on the film. Readers of the thread might find it interesting.

http://www.adl.org/presrele/mise_00/4275_00.asp
46 posted on 07/18/2003 1:41:58 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Thorondir
If I am wrong, and I don't think I am

For one, you can't just say "I think you spew hatred, but in the unlikely event I am wrong, sorry." In plain English, that's BS. Second, it's a problem easily solved. Look over this short thread. Show me the bitter hatred. I think you know what the result of your search will be.

47 posted on 07/18/2003 1:43:59 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Thorondir
It SEEMS like you object to any buildup of this particular film

Plainly, it was a quip on a slow work day.

48 posted on 07/18/2003 1:44:51 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Elliott Gigantalope
Precisely. How better to gauge your progress?
50 posted on 07/18/2003 1:53:46 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Huck
A selection from the article at the link you posted, with some irreverent comments:

For filmmakers to do justice to the biblical accounts of the passion, they must complement their artistic vision with sound scholarship, which includes knowledge of how the passion accounts have been used historically to disparage and attack Jews and Judaism.

What is this supposed to mean? That the film has to include a disclaimer?

Absent such scholarly and theological understanding, productions such as "The Passion" could likely falsify history and fuel the animus of those who hate Jews.

Pretty presumptuous, don't you think? It sounds like an a priori assumption that Mel is going to be either too dumb or too bigoted to present a film with any "scholarly or theological understanding," and is "likely" to "falsify history." Close to venomous, in fact.

Specific recommendations to remedy the numerous anti-Semitic elements in the script have been conveyed to Mr. Gibson's ICON Productions.

Which are....?

Mr. Gibson has said that his film is not anti-Semitic. We hope that is the case.

Yeah, me too. Only way to find out is to see the finished product and the reaction to it. This is 21st Century America, remember? Not 12th Century Europe.

ADL stands ready to advise ICON Productions constructively regarding The Passion to ensure that the final production is devoid of anti-Semitic slander.

"Advise" or censor? That's the question this article left in my mind....

51 posted on 07/18/2003 1:57:55 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I love the Vixen of Vitriol---Ann Coulter")
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To: Huck
I read it, Huck. I guess to satisfy the ADL, Mel Gibson will have to write all Jews out of the script--except for the occasional innocent passerby who turned "away Quite leisurely from the disaster; . . . [who] may have heard . . . the forsaken cry, but for him it was not an important failure . . . ."

Thoughtful Christians do not and never have used the crucifixion as an excuse to engage in Jew-bashing. But Jewish men and women were involved in every aspect of the arrest and crucufixion. This attempt to edit Jewish conspirators and actors out of the event--or even to suppress history itself--is beyond silly. Jesus Christ himself was a Jew, as was Joseph of Arimathea (who in an act of tender kindness asked for Jesus' body and placed it in his own tomb), and all the disciples.

It has been said, quite accurately, that at its birth Christianity was merely a Jewish heresy--but Jewish nonetheless to its very roots. The arrest and crucifixion of Jesus Christ is first and foremost a Jewish story with a strong supporting cast of pagan Romans.

Jewish critics of Christianity are safe in this country. They really ought to try to come to terms with the Jewishness of the Passion account instead of denying it, suppressing it, and attacking it.

52 posted on 07/18/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Map Kernow
Looks like attempts to censor through applied pressure.
53 posted on 07/18/2003 2:06:14 PM PDT by Huck
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To: Kevin Curry
Your post makes full sense to me.
54 posted on 07/18/2003 2:07:04 PM PDT by Huck
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To: seleniteswells
We weren't, we aren't, we won't. Thanks.
55 posted on 07/18/2003 2:13:50 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Map Kernow
I hear it's coming out around Lent next year. Consult your local Christian if you don't know when that is.

Release date is Ash Wednesday, 2004.

56 posted on 07/18/2003 2:18:12 PM PDT by al_c
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To: jjm2111
If it's in Aramaic w/ no subtitles I'm not watching. Period.

Why?

57 posted on 07/18/2003 2:19:16 PM PDT by al_c
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To: al_c
Man! That's a long wait.
58 posted on 07/18/2003 2:19:20 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: al_c
Yeah. It's not like we should have trouble figuring out the storyline.
59 posted on 07/18/2003 2:20:07 PM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Huck
The criticism is based on a stolen script.

The praise is due to actual screenings of the movie.
60 posted on 07/18/2003 2:22:28 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ( "There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C. Spurgeon)
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