Tariq Aziz speaks! France caused the War!

self | 07-15-03 | WL-law

[Spiff]

This doesn't just cover France and Germany. There were MANY traitors in the U.S. - most of them with a (D) after their names - whose statements and actions lead Saddam to believe that "International Pressure" would prevent the demands of the UN Resolution from being enforced. The blood of every dead U.S. and coalition soldier and every unfortunate Iraqi citizen is on THEIR hands.

[Centurion2000]

We need to bomb Paris for this crap.

[BOBTHENAILER]

So now we have official confirmation from the Saddam inner circle -- the blood is on France's hands.

NEVER FORGET

[South40]

...there can be no doubters.

You're kidding, right?

bill klinton lied under oath. Yet liberals continue to deny (and doubt) that he broke any law.

And "old news" was a rhetorical comment on my part.

I am astute enough to realize that, for the first time, this is coming from the horse's mouth.

My point was (and time will tell if I am right) that liberals, led by the liberal press, will argue the absurdity of blaming France for America going to war, despite the fact that France's words and actions led directly to it.

[HardStarboard]

>>>What else did he say??? <<<

He attested to the absolute veracity of any reports made by Bagdad Bob.

[Dog Gone]

Saddam Hussain believed right up to the last moment that the US would not invade Iraq, due to "international pressure".

More proof that Saddam unable to think strategically and a lousy judge of character. It was obvious to the rest of the world that we were going in, one way or another.

[meenie]

My memory also serves to divide the responsibility with France and Germany to Russia and China.

[Shermy]

Iraqi TV, pre-war, would show clips of the world street protests inspersed with pics of Saddam. Narrator said "the world supports Saddam."

[South40]

And so I'd just like to rub it in a bit to the French.

So would I.

Let's just hope the mainstream press reports it.

[jagrmeister]

The purpose of highlighting this news, not downplaying it, is not for the benefit of liberals- they won't change their opinion- it is for the politically unattached masses that decide elections. I'd like to shift the debate from yellowcake to something more substantial- the fact that France spurred the war. You may be right about the liberal press but there's a way to end-run them. First, we make noise and get talk radio, Fox News, Wall St. Journal, and WashTimes to cover the story. Then, conservative commentators pick up on it and it gets in the ed/op section of major newspapers. At this point, it's entered the public mind. If the Big Media ignores it, some of the public has been educated and think even less of the Big Media for burying it. But usually, the momentum is such that the wires or a few of the major news networks will pick up on it. We've got to force this angle if we want to win over the public.

[Tacis]

That's fine, but what about the rest? Where/why the "international pressure?" The answer is easy and far more damning. Saddam had been paying cash, large amounts over the years, to Chriraq and senior frogs to carry his water. Cretin was also being paid.

Both France and Canada assumed that the US would back down. Willie would have backed down and earned himself some bucks in the process.

They assumed that Bush would back down, what did he know? But W didn't back down and Chiraq and Cretin have lost a large revenue stream and a great deal of credibility. In terms of sharing Iraqi wealth, I'd like to know how Willie paid for his new Dublin love nest.

[Miss Marple]

And why did Saddam think that France and Germany would keep us from going in? And why did France anad Germany think that their ploy would work?

I submit to you that this was a strategy carved out by someone who believed that Bush would not act outside the UN, someone who believed that because he pays more attention to words than deeds, someone who thought he could manipulate other governments to wreak his own petty revenge for his lost legacy....William Jefferson Clinton.

[Dog Gone]

I can't refute that. Not one bit.

[squidly]

The funny thing about this (and I was saying this back in February) is that if France and Germany didn't want a war, they'd have sided with us. They are many things, but they aren't stupid. Any fool knew that there was a better chance of Saddam backing down if he was presented with a united front. No doubt France and Germany knew that.

So the big question would be, why did France and Germany want a war? (and Russia, Belgium, and a few others).

[Miss Marple]

Because Bill Clinton TOLD them that if they vetoed in the Security Council Bush wouldn't go in. I am convinced of this because he had Jimmy Carter scuttling around there before the vote, encouraging them to go against Bush. I am not making this up.

[squidly]

Interesting take. Since I don't know you I can't accept it as truth (nothing personal), but assuming it's true, either Clinton/Carter were in a conspiracy against Dubya, or in a conspiracy with him. Considering that they are all CFR, Trilateral Comm etc., I'd be more inclined to believe the latter.

This is all getting pretty out there, though. Publically there will never be a whiff of it no matter how true it might be.

[WL-law]

The funny thing about this (and I was saying this back in February) is that if France and Germany didn't want a war, they'd have sided with us. They are many things, but they aren't stupid.

Well, I'll accept as a general matter that they're not stupid, but there are times when intelligence, and when prescience, fails you, and this was that time for France. Chirac over-reached -- he thought he could bluster and scuttle the US plans, and come out looking like a leader. He gambled that Bush was weak, but Chirac was wrong.

The net of this is that Chirac thought he could stand up to the US and that the US would stand down. He would earn the gratitude of Saddam, and the economic benefits from that gratitude, and also boost the status of the European Union in its gambit to sit equal to the US on the world stage.

And Chirac was wrong, and he caused a war rather than prevented one.

[WL-law]

bump

[RJL]

French Bump.

[Aaron0617]

Don't forget Helen Thomas' comments. How the world would love Bush if he would back down. I believe she said that on Donahue's show.