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(Prince) Madoc In America
Arthur In America ^

Posted on 07/10/2003 5:56:52 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam
Have you heard of the legend of the Piasa in Illinois?

It is carved & painted in the bluffs above the river near St. Louis

Personally, I am not convinced it is of American Indian origin


21 posted on 07/10/2003 7:12:00 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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To: Ford Fairlane
"Have you heard of the legend of the Piasa in Illinois?"

No but, here it is.

22 posted on 07/10/2003 7:19:12 PM PDT by blam
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Baillie believes that all the dragon imagry in Beuwolf is about this event.

Always wondered about the red dragon and the white dragon, who hasn't. Perhaps it was alchemical before the Arabs invented alchemy, perhaps it was astronomical, perhaps both. There were dragons elsewhere in the world, too, China had them and still does for one.

23 posted on 07/10/2003 7:21:59 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: blam
Yea, i think thats where i stole the pic links from - there is a U of I site for it somewhere, but I cant find it now (the site I couldnt find also covers the mounds scattered all over the midwest & the ancient roads)
24 posted on 07/10/2003 7:23:58 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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"Always wondered about the red dragon and the white dragon, who hasn't. "

Yup. Also, most anthropologists accept a death date for King Arthur of 535-545AD. I find it interesting that King Arthur's fathers name is Pendragon.(More dragons)

25 posted on 07/10/2003 7:36:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: Ford Fairlane
Personally, I am not convinced it is of American Indian origin.

Nor am I. It looks more like a medieval European drawing of a mythical beast.

There was much more traffic between Europe and North America before Columbus, and even before the Vikings, than most people realize.

26 posted on 07/10/2003 7:52:44 PM PDT by Loyalist (When she gets back from Vancouver....)
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To: Ford Fairlane
The original Piasa painting was destroyed some time ago, mining if I remember right. The painting you posted was done by 20th century white men and looks a bit different.
27 posted on 07/10/2003 7:59:01 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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To: Ford Fairlane
You would probably like this magazine, Ancient American Magazine

...and here

28 posted on 07/10/2003 8:01:56 PM PDT by blam
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I was told it was restored from old photos & some really old peoples memories, the original was weathered & covered by growth
29 posted on 07/10/2003 8:04:57 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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I was told it was restored from old photos & some really old peoples memories, the original was weathered & covered by growth
30 posted on 07/10/2003 8:04:57 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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Thanks for the links

I do like this sort of thing, you just cant make a living with it

My dads farmland was a major camping area for both the Illini & the Kickapoo (& probably some others) after a major storm we can still walk the fields & find all sorts of arrowheads, axes, spears, etc - but nothing like the colection our old neighbor had

He had some spearheads that looked like what you would see in the movie "ZULU" that he had found in the field my dad owns now

When I was young he told me all the good places to look for artifacts, & I didn't pay much attention & now I wish I had

32 posted on 07/10/2003 8:11:18 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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Let's also remember another famous Celtic sailor, Prince Henry Sinclair, Jarl of Orkney, who explored Nova Scotia and New England in 1398.
34 posted on 07/10/2003 8:12:39 PM PDT by Loyalist (When she gets back from Vancouver....)
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I've never heard of him - I'll have to look into that
35 posted on 07/10/2003 8:16:24 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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OK, now I'm going to have to check out your book

The western author Louis L'Amour was doing research in this field when he unfortunatley passed away. I have talked to several people who have tried to get access to his research, but they have been unsuccessful.

Seeing that info would be a great find, i know from reading his western novels that his research was meticulous, if he said a stream or a cave or any geographic feature was somewhere (in a novel), it is really there - I have followed several of the trails he described while on vacations, every nook & cranny he described is there, including locations with ancient cliff drawings, artifacts, etc.

37 posted on 07/10/2003 8:27:48 PM PDT by Ford Fairlane
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"My dads farmland was a major camping area for both the Illini & the Kickapoo (& probably some others) after a major storm we can still walk the fields & find all sorts of arrowheads, axes, spears, etc - but nothing like the colection our old neighbor had"

I bought about a five tract of land down here, it was an old pecan orchard that had overgrown terribly. As I was clearing it off, I kept noticing a number of mounds and was thinking INDIAN MOUNDS! I did some checking and discovered that the mounds were horse graves from years and years prior. I do have some 7,000 year old wood though, lol.

38 posted on 07/10/2003 8:45:45 PM PDT by blam
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We have a plaque down here too at Ft Morgan, on Mobile Bay, for Prince Madoc.

"The inscription on a plaque placed alongside Mobile Bay in 1953 by the Daughters of the American Revolution reads: "In memory of Prince Madog, a Welsh explorer who landed on the shores of Mobile Bay in 1170 and left behind, with the Indians, the Welsh language."

40 posted on 07/10/2003 8:50:06 PM PDT by blam
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