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Left Turn: Is the GOP conservative?
National Review ^
| July 23, 2003 issue
| National Review Editorial Board
Posted on 07/10/2003 1:06:07 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Thank God SOMEBODY has the intestinal fortitude to write this, instead of just "cheering the Republican team on".
To: All
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:11:59 PM PDT
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Maybe about a third of the GOP is conservative. The problem is really with people on top, including President Bush, who sells out the conservative base for political expediency.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:12:07 PM PDT
by
Satadru
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
I find the fact that this article is from the National Review interesting. Last night, I went to a discussion about how neoconservatism should be defined, and the editor of the American Conservative was accusing Ramesh Ponurru and the National Review of "selling-out."
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07/10/2003 1:15:31 PM PDT
by
Pyro7480
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Is the GOP conservative as compared to the Liberal Left? Is the Pope Catholic?
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
The GOP is nothing more than the more pecuniary and less outraged auxiliary of the Dumb-ocratic party. Whatever the issue is that comes up, the GOP will be for LESS of it, but never against it. Financially (GOP never wants a tax eliminated, just lowered), morally (homosexual don't ask/don't tell policy is Ok, but outright moral condemnation will never happen), abortion (partial birth is bad and worthy of laws, but the other kind, saline, induced, etc., are kinda' ok), affirmative action (no condemnation, just mild outrage), fear of going after the Clinton duo to pay for their crimes, and the list goes on.
As much as I hate to admit it, the Dumbo-crats have fire in their belly and refuse to give an inch. The GOP will give them anything they want: witness G.W.'s cave in on all social issues. The NEA, EPA, etc., still exist and will always exist because the GOP leaders are dishrags.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:19:13 PM PDT
by
laweeks
To: Constitutionalist Conservative; AAABEST; Abundy; Uncle Bill; Victoria Delsoul; Fiddlstix; ...
Stop bashing the president! Oh wait, this is from NR, the neocon flagship. Well....it looks like NR has become....just another Bush hater! Yeah, that's it! NR was never any good! NR bad! Bush good!
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:22:45 PM PDT
by
Sir Gawain
(My other tagline is a Porsche)
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Oh, my! How dare they criticize the president! This is all part of a strategery!
Quick, call in the gang and get this zotted!
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Back during the election, I challenged Freepers to write down what they expected of Bush and then compare results to their expectations. As I anticipated, Bush does not measure up to any reasonable expectations of a true conservative.
His handling of the War on Terror (actually a War on Islamic Fundamentalism) has gone as well as could be expected, and I give him high marks for having the courage to do the right thing in that area, despite carping from liberal media, etc. Why, then, can he not show some backbone on the domestic front to restrain the federal government? Why must spending increase faster than it ever did under Democratic presidents and Congresses?
I said during the election and I say again - if you are expecting anything of importance about the federal government to change because of Bush or the Congressional leaders, you are in for an infinite wait. It will not happen.
Now you may nevertheless say, "Well, the Democrats would be worse". I'd say that, too, is a debatable point given recent history.
I'm not ambitious enough to ask you guys to vote for alternatives, even though you are not getting what you want out of the Republicans and probably never will. But the more vitriolic third-party-bashers (especially the libertarian-bashers) could at least be polite, given that those or us who can no longer support the Republican Party have some very solid, tangible reasons for the way feel.
To: The Old Hoosier
You bad! Bush good!
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:27:39 PM PDT
by
Sir Gawain
(My other tagline is a Porsche)
To: Joe Bonforte
Oops. "way feel" = "way we feel"
To: Satadru
This country was based on a homogenious system of people of all cultures so it should be of no surprise that people don't all fit into just one or two buckets. The fact is that our society is fairly moderate with extremists on both ends of the political spectrum.
Another issue to consider is the essence of the conservative movement. Do we really want smaller and less intrusive government or do we want government that enforces a small minorities' particular concerns? We can bitch when the left seeks to use government to impose it's beliefs on us yet why is that not a double standard when the right does it? If you believe in the Constitution and what it stands for you don't get to cherry pick. If you believe in the Constitution you don't get to make up rules (without an Amendment) if they don't exist. Yet for some reason the courts seem to rule on issues with no constitutional basis. eg, Diversity and Privacy are not mentioned anywhere yet they seem to be a basis to make decisions.
I actually think the Libertarians have it right. Smaller government, individual responsibility and individual rights as long as they don't infringe upon someone else's rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Both parties, one could argue, actually pander to the extremes in order to gain the nomination. Once they clear that part of the electoral process ever notice how centrist they tend to become?
To: Sir Gawain
p>I find your understatement to be highly suspicious. What's wrong with "Bush is Best?"
Anything short of "Bush is a Genius!" tickles my tinfoil. And no "beat the RATS!" What's up with that?
To: Pyro7480
I think there is a disconnect between the party elites and the broad base, too. There's an article on WND today about Ward Connerly's attempts to pass a statewide law banning racial preferences in Michigan. The party leadership there is actually publishing statements in opposition to his efforts.
Everything was supposed to get better when we had the Presidency and both houses of Congress. So we all kept voting for the GOP because of that hope and the knowledge that it was the lesser of two evils. And where has that gotten us? Tell you what, intervening in Liberia ain't my idea of 'conservative.'
As a now famous maxim goes, the Dems are a train headed toward a cliff at 90 mph, the Republicans are a train headed toward the cliff at 70 mph. Either way, we're going over the cliff.
To: Sir Gawain
LOL!
I didn't know you did "schtick".
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:36:26 PM PDT
by
AAABEST
To: Joe Bonforte
His handling of the War on Terror (actually a War on Islamic Fundamentalism) has gone as well as could be expected, and I give him high marks for having the courage to do the right thing in that area, Was it that latest $20 million to the Philisitines that sold you.. The kowtowing to Saudi Arabia.. or the ignoring of our unbelievably open borders.....:)
And...I will probably vote for him again...
What choice have they left us? Hitlery?, Ketchupboy, or one of their other assorted douche bags.....
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:37:00 PM PDT
by
joesnuffy
(Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
To: Constitutionalist Conservative
The reality is, there are no hard lines. There are various brands of conservative, liberal and 'independent'.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:38:16 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: laweeks
"The GOP is nothing more than the more pecuniary and less outraged auxiliary of the Dumb-ocratic party."
Wrong. There is simply a spectrum of political opinion in both parties. And whether we like it or not, the vast majority of Americans are neither to the far right or the far left of the spectrum, but scattered around the middle.
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:39:56 PM PDT
by
MEGoody
To: Miss Marple; Howlin; PhiKapMom; Dog Gone
We have never been under any illusions about the extent of Bush's conservatism. He did not run in 2000 as a small-government conservative, or as someone who relished ideological combat on such issues as racial preferences and immigration.
An article that goes back to the campaign and seems to remember some of the things...
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posted on
07/10/2003 1:40:13 PM PDT
by
deport
(On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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