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Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^
| 08 July 2003
| MATT FRAZIER
Posted on 07/09/2003 12:08:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: f.Christian
FC, come on, be fair. The sources you quote were disapproving of the things they discussed. They weren't talking about plans to turn people into automatons, they were decrying the tendency to do so.
4,041
posted on
07/17/2003 6:51:13 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: RadioAstronomer
Or inane stellar motion posts few will read ping! Your detailed, insightful posts are welcome relief to the noise level that sometimes dominates these threads, and serve as an excellent Troll repellent.
To: PatrickHenry
>>That's not a good way to begin a post<<
Sorry, I thought we were reasoning together. Law is about as far from science as it gets. My opinion is worth what you paid for it.
I don't expect you to know the dichotomy between "full faith and credit" vs. "void against public policy."
And, given the history of "void against public policy," I don't expect you to find it comforting.
If one state decides to allow homosexual marriages, I fully expect homosexuals to attempt to force other states to recognize them.
No sane person can predict the future outcome of those attempts.
So, on the one hand, we have relative certainty - Congress can authorize a constitutional amendment outlawing such unions, and given sufficient state support, this may become the law of the land.
On the other hand, we have the Constitutional principles of limited government and federalism.
Decisions, decisions.
4,043
posted on
07/17/2003 7:01:06 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: CobaltBlue
unquestion new sociopolitical world order placemaker !
4,044
posted on
07/17/2003 7:02:40 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: MitchellC
How would researchers test for a Creator? One cannot simply claim that ignorance of a process on the researchers' part is indicative of creation. If that were the case, lightning was caused by magic until Faraday came along.
4,045
posted on
07/17/2003 7:07:20 PM PDT
by
Junior
(Killed a six pack ... just to watch it die.)
To: CobaltBlue
I don't expect you to know the dichotomy between "full faith and credit" vs. "void against public policy." But I do. That's why I mentioned Dred Scott, which required a Constitutional amendment to undo. I haven't researched the point, but I'd be surprised -- blown away, really -- if some state's public policy could override the full faith and credit clause of the Federal Constitution. That's why I think gay marriage in one state must be recognized everywhere, and why I think an exception to the FF&C clause must be carved out for status-creating laws. That's my free opinion, and valued accordingly.
4,046
posted on
07/17/2003 7:08:56 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
To: PatrickHenry
Wow! Looks like the trolls have given up (or taken the night off)!
4,047
posted on
07/17/2003 7:21:50 PM PDT
by
balrog666
(Universe inexorably winding down - women and children hardest hit! Film at 11.)
To: balrog666
To: VadeRetro
Would a theist truly be satisfied with an argument which meekly asserted "well . . . the Almighty is at least responsible for the flagellum of a bacterium?"
God of dysentery?
3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138
4,048
posted on
07/17/2003 7:24:33 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
To: balrog666
Nah, they're probably re-grouping. Doesn't matter. Virtual Ignore will carry the day!!
4,049
posted on
07/17/2003 7:25:19 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
To: balrog666
Legalese put them to sleep. Since they would have to actually read and understand the posts before deciding which side to flame, they are out of the loop. Actually I haven't seen two disctinct sides. It's more like a discussion, but since I haven't seen one of those in a long time, I'm not sure.
To: Junior
turn people into godless worshiping statist automatons placemakers !
4,051
posted on
07/17/2003 7:28:53 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: js1138
God of dysentery?
3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138
4,052
posted on
07/17/2003 7:29:13 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's finest . contact me to add yours!)
To: PatrickHenry
turn people into Virtual Ignore godless worshiping statist automatons placemakers !
4,053
posted on
07/17/2003 7:31:02 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: PatrickHenry
A state may refuse to recognize a marriage which is legal in another state because it is void against the public policy of the first state. That's black letter law. If Utah decided to recognize bigamous marriages, I doubt very much that Virginia would honor them.
How that actually plays out in your state is another matter.
4,055
posted on
07/17/2003 7:31:45 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: PatrickHenry
turn people into Virtual Ignore godless worshiping statist stiff neck leg brain automatons placemakers !
4,056
posted on
07/17/2003 7:33:05 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: CobaltBlue
If Utah decided to recognize bigamous marriages, I doubt very much that Virginia would honor them. Isn't that why Utah had to give up the legality of such marriages as a precondition of statehood? I'm not certain of this, but I'm "fairly" certain.
4,057
posted on
07/17/2003 7:34:29 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
To: PatrickHenry
>> Dred Scott, which required a Constitutional amendment to undo<<
One could argue that Dred Scott actually required a war to undo.
I have nothing but contempt for Justice Taney, so please don't get me started on Dred Scott.
To be fair to all involved, the war was probably inevitable when the Constitution was enacted, it was just delayed.
If the non-slave-holding states and the slave-holding states had formed separate countries, eventually there stil would have been a war between them.
4,058
posted on
07/17/2003 7:35:33 PM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Never voted for a Democrat in my life.)
To: PatrickHenry
snatch clone new sociopolitical world order super statist worshiper placemaker !
4,059
posted on
07/17/2003 7:36:51 PM PDT
by
f.Christian
(evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
To: CobaltBlue
Actually, I think what your "local public policy trumps the FF&C clause" doctrine amounts to is something very close to the old Nullification Doctrine, advocated before the Civil War by such as Calhoun. I understand that Calhoun wanted his state to ignore Federal laws, but still, an "unnatural" marriage from another state that is imposed on yours by virtue of the FF&C clause would be valid in your state unless your state could raise something like the old (and now discredited) nullification doctrine.
4,060
posted on
07/17/2003 7:39:43 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Idiots are on "virtual ignore," and you know exactly who you are.)
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