Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[f.Christian]

Moles must be short on bugs and roots today ... probably out in the sun too long --- gonna go blind !

[ALS]

[js1138]

One thing we do know is that your site contains links to articles your webmaster has neither read nor understood, and apparently not understood by you either. But it's good of you to post the links, because some people can understand them.

[ALS]

must you run towards embarassment again?

[js1138]

I'm serious. The article I quoted speaks for itself. I recommend it to everyone.

[ALS]

the fun starts here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/943130/posts?page=1481#1481

[bondserv]

LOL!

[ALS]

well that's fine and dandy and we appreciate the promo, but your wild claims were shown for the farce they are and it all begins in here..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/943130/posts?page=1481#1481

[f.Christian]

The grand unified general theory of evolution ... mental - moral --- breakdown (( wired // rigged LIQUID paste duct tape logic )) !

[ALS]

The Unholy (third rail) Grail!

[bondserv]

I agree.

There is no sauce in my post. Only fire.

[ALS]

evos don't like fire

[Virginia-American]

It is not science if there is no factual evidence for it. You cannot give factual evidence for it ...

What about the example I gave earlier of the **exact same** mistake in the genomes of people, chimps, gorillas, et al, but not in the genome of any other mammal? I inherited this pseudo-gene from my parents as did eveyone else on earth. A chimp got the *exact same** pseudo-gene from his parents, etc. Isn't the simplest explanation of this fact the hypotheis that all of people, chimps, et al, inherited it from a common ancestor?

It involves no mehcanism other than inheritence (ie it satisfies Occam's razor), it doesn't involve astronomical odds (like the **exact same** mutation happening independently in different lines), and it's an elegant corroboration of what was already known, from anatomical, biogeographic, and other evidence, that people and great apes are more closely related to each other than either is to any other group

It's rather like IndoEuropean linguistics - Saussure hypothesised that ProtoIndoEuropean had sounds ("laryngials") that have been lost in all known languages, but which would account for the way certain vowels are distributed. LO and behold, when Hittite was discovered, there were 'h' sounds exctly where the laryngials had been reconstructed.

In the case at hand, this is molecular confirmation of a hypothesis that had been made previously.

You may dispute the importance of these observations, (there are many, many more, as Stultis pointed out in post 1462), but you can't pretend that they're not evidence of common descent.

[bondserv]

Do you thank your Designer for those taste buds, BUD?

If not this is a good time to start.

[VadeRetro]

Do you thank your Designer for those taste buds, BUD?

Tell you the truth--and I mean this--I used to have "Deistic moments" routinely until I started arguing with creationists. They're quite rare now. "Faith in things unseen" has for me acquired an association with bizarre disconnection from reality.

[VadeRetro]

There is no sauce in my post. Only fire.

Color me reassured. You scared me by putting filet mignon and BBQ in the same sentence.

[ALS]

faith filled transitional forms placemarker

[VadeRetro]

The BBC report on the Duke study.

[ALS]

"[The theory of evolution] forms a satisfactory faith on which to base our interpretation of nature."—*L. Harrison Matthews, "Introduction to Origin of Species," p. xxii (1977 edition).

"Evolution requires plenty of faith; a faith in L-proteins that defy chance formation; a faith in the formation of DNA codes which, if generated spontaneously, would spell only pandemonium; a faith in a primitive environment that, in reality, would fiendishly devour any chemical precursors to life; a faith in experiments that prove nothing but the need for intelligence in the beginning; a faith in a primitive ocean that would not thicken, but would only haplessly dilute chemicals; a faith in natural laws of thermodynamics and biogenesis that actually deny the possibility for the spontaneous generation of life; a faith in future scientific revelations that, when realized, always seem to present more dilemmas to the evolutionists; faith in improbabilities that treasonously tell two stories—one denying evolution, the other confirming the Creator; faith in transformations that remain fixed; faith in mutations and natural selection that add to a double negative for evolution; faith in fossils that embarrassingly show fixity through time, regular absence of transitional forms and striking testimony to a worldwide water deluge; a faith in time which proves to only promote degradation in the absence of mind; and faith in reductionism that ends up reducing the materialist's arguments to zero and forcing the need to invoke a supernatural Creator."—R.L. Wysong, The Creation-Evolution Controversy (1981), p. 455.

"Evolution is sometimes the key mythological element in a philosophy that functions as a virtual religion."—*E. Harrison, "Origin and Evolution of the Universe," Encyclopedia Britannica: Macropaedia (1974), p. 1007.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

You shouldn't post pictures of Don King, that only encourages the evos.