Former CAIR Officer Indicted

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[jocon307]

"Sami Al-Arian -- and those who share his extremist views, defend his conduct and have tried to legitimate him politically -- are not on President Bush's side in the war on terror."

Yes, to put it mildly. My understanding was that Norquist wanted to go after the Arab vote in order to counter Jewish support for the Dem Party/Liberalism. I have no way of knowing if there was any more sinister reasons. But, nice an idea as that may have been, it should have been thrown out along with that morning's newspapers on Sept. 11, 2001.

I waited and waited to see widespread rejection of what happened that day, by American-based Muslims. I waited and waited to see patriotic support for our country from Muslims in this nation. Aside from a few individuals, and some at photo-ops, many of whom it know must be noted were just plants from CAIR, etc. I didn't see it.

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but if it did, I didn't see it. We CANNOT let what has happened in Europe happen here, with Muslims living in their own little backward and violent world, abusing their women and plotting our destruction.

[SandRat]

When will this outrageous racial profiling of our loyal Moslem citizens end?

Yeah, .. .. .. Right, .. .. .. .

In WWII we had the 442 CBT BDE, and when put into combat, it was all NESI enlisted (second generation Japanese who were born in America) and WASP Officers. The BDE is still honored today for it's tenacity in battle and the skills of it soldiers. The NESI wanted to show that they were loyal Americans and fight for America; even though their families were forcefully rounded up an put in detention camps.

Well, .. .. .. there has been no mass Muslim round up after 9/11, but there also was no mass rush to the recruiting station and still hasn't been to form a new version of the 44-Deuce. CAIR and other groups just want to holler about every possible/perceived/ and yes sometimes, concocted civil rights violation.

So I ask again, where is the new 44-Deuce made up of Americans who are Muslim?????? Has anyone seen it forming, training, heard of it's victories in battle defending America????? Yes, I know there are Americans of Muslim faith serving loyally in all the services but scattered about. So once more I must ask where is the New 44-Deuce????

The answer to my qustions leads to the answer to yours? The answers also point to the truth!

[Sgt_Schultze]

This CAIR officer isn't the "doily boy" who I regularly see on television talking head shows is it?

[dagnabbit]

...there are Americans of Muslim faith serving loyally in all the services

True, but there's also at least one muslim U.S. soldier willing to frag his officers on behalf of his faith, as well a dozen or so Wahhabists chaplains with who knows what loyalties whispering in the ears of the other muslim soldiers.

[VOA]

bump...good quotes, consistent with all I've heard in appearances on the radio where
a host (e.g., Michael Medved) is willing to ask real questions.

[SandRat]

True, but there's also at least one muslim U.S. soldier willing to frag his officers on behalf of his faith, as well a dozen or so Wahhabists chaplains with who knows what loyalties whispering in the ears of the other muslim soldiers.

So, I ask again, where is the new 44-Deuce? A unit made up of Americans of Muslim faith willing to fight for the Honor of America in battle against an enemy that calls itself Muslim? Where?

There is no new 44-Deuce CBT BDE!

There will be no new 44-Deuce CBT BDE!

I think that says it all. Draw from it what you may.

[Jack Black]

Am I the only one who finds this a little scary. Let's review the story, shall we:

ABC News announced that the government has presented information leading to the federal indictment of eleven men who had trained in the woods of Fairfax County, Virginia with “AK-47” style assault weapons. According to the government, the men had also participated in warlike paintball games to practice military tactics in Spotsylvania County and had practiced shooting at various shooting ranges.

There is the main paragraph describing what they are accused of. OK, well gee. That's not much. I mean I go to the boonies near where I live and shoot semi-autos. I don't play paintball, but some of the fellows I shoot with do. They certainly 'practice military tactics' when playing paintball, that's the key to the game as I understand it. And finally I belong to two gun clubs and shoot at both of them regularly, again often with the same friends who play paintball. Nothing described in this paragraph (which is designed to sound sinister and evil "AK-47" being a code word for "evil, bad" to most liberals) appears to be remotely illegal to me.

Here it says what they are actually CHARGED with:

has been charged with a variety of firearms violations and attempting to mount a military attack against a friendly nation, India.

OKAY. What"firearms violations?" Could we get a little more specific? Some technical violation of the 20,000 gun laws? And then of course there is "attempting to mount a military attack against a friendly nation, India"

Leaving aside the question of whether India is really a friendly nation what evidence do they have that they were attempting to mount a military attack? Does shooting AK's and playing paintball now constitute de-facto proof of attempting a military attack?

I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions here. I for one would like to see a lot more evidence before I agree that these people are part of a conspiracy to attack India. Where they organizing logistics? Were they in contact with people there? Remmeber the FBI and assorted three letter agencies have a pretty bad record for missing the mark on finding terrorists. This includes amazing things like overlooking the Chinese spy working for them for 10 years as well as falsly accusing lots of people (Atlanta bombing, Waco, FBI Crime Lab, etc.) of crimes they had nothing to do with.

Nothing in the above set of comments should be interpreted as the author having any sympathy for actual terroists or the Islamic or Islamist religion or political movements. I do not. But even for people with names like "Mohammed" I believe the American standard "innocent until proven guilty" applies. Lets see some proof, then hang em' high.

[swarthyguy]

Does this mean its time for CAIR to get wined, dined and feted at the White House?

Time for the Saudis to start pulling some strings again to get the US Government to dance to its tune.

[swarthyguy]

Salaam Aleikum you islami propagandist.

Certainly sound like a jihadi.

Idiots like you are willing for blood to be spilt all over the world.

People like you arree jihadi enablers and their "fellow travellers" and " useful idiots".

[SandRat]

Does shooting AK's and playing paintball now constitute de-facto proof of attempting a military attack?

your question is a good one. On just what is in your question and without doing any follow on questioning I would be tempeted to say no.

Questions that I want asked and answered are:

1. Where did they get the AK's?

2. Did they get them legally?

3. Were they doing the shooting at an approved marksmanship range?

4. When they were paintballing were they doing it a an approved paintball range as just part of the every day crowd or were they off on their own in an unauthorized area doing something else?

5. Who was teaching them military tactics at the squad and possibly higher levels? What does his background check revel?

6. What exactly were the tactics they were practicing and what were the objectives that they were practicing to go after?

All questions that need to be asked, but I assure you that none of the talking heads in the PC media have the brains to ask those questions much less come up with the questions.

The answers, if truthfully given will paint the real picture.

I would hazard to bet that the FBI asked those questions and has the answers otherwise they would not have proceeded as they did. Answers that paint a picture that is not pretty and definately would not indicate another "ATF/FBI Waco" or "a ripping apart of the Constitution."

[Im Your Huckleberry]

CAIR Alert!

[onyx]

Thanks for the link to James Zogby the Wahhabi.

[Jack Black]

I see. Suggesting that our Constitution be followed makes me a Jihad enabler? Did you read my entire post? I state clearly that I am not in sympathy with Islam. Duh!

You don't know me so quit saying ignorant things about me. Quit with the personal attacks! Grow up and learn to discuss thing like a rational adult or consider moving to DU, where they appreciate your type of posting.

[browardchad]

There is the main paragraph describing what they are accused of.

 

No, that's ABC's knucklehead interpretation of what they are accused of. Gun possession and paintball war games are not crimes, unless the guns are purchased with intent to commit a crime, or the paintball "games" were practice for their ultimate goal: joining a terrorist group and participating in armed warfare against an ally of the United States (in this case, India).

 

The counts of the indictment include "commencing an expedition against a friendly nation," receipt of firearm or ammunition with cause to believe will be committed therewith," "acquisition of a firearm after arrival from a foreign country with intent to engage in crime of violence," "transfer of a firearm for use in a crime of violence," "conspiracy to possess and use a firearm in connection with a crime of violence," "false official statement," "using a firearm in connection with a crime of violence."

 

These were no boy scouts having fun with paintball guns -- they are radical Islamists using the freedoms afforded by this country to wage jihad on another country -- and then safely retreat like scurrying rats back to the comfortable homes in the U.S., where they bragged of their exploits.

 

Although I don't expect someone who accepts ABC's interpretation of anything to be legitimately interested in the truth, here's the actual indictment:

 

USA vs. Randall Todd Royer et al

 

[Jack Black]

To be clear I don't accept either ABC News or the US Govt. interpretation of anything without applying critical thought. If you reread me posting you will see that I was critical of ABC for their obvious use of trigger words.

The original poster did not post the indictment. I was commenting on what he posted. Thank you for posting the indictment, this is useful.

As someone who distrusts mainstream media are you at all concerned that the inditment relies on information from the Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Times, CNN.com, and BBC News to make their case? This is clearly called out in sections 5,6,7 and 8. You don't think I'm interested in the truth because I trust ABC's "knuckleheaded interpretation" of what they are accused of but you trust FedGov to use these same sources and arrive at the truth. Strange.

In any case much more interesting than that they used AK-47s at the shooting range is that they flew to Pakistan, went to the terrorist ouposts and shot at Indian troops. Funny how that didn't make the summary. We are being indoctrinated to think target practice is illegal instead of shooting at people. Funny they didn't report it that way.

I would certainly agree that the govt. has a pretty good case that these fellows are wanna-be terrorists who wanted to attack India and possibly the United States troops in Pakistan as well.

Hope they fry 'em.

Later.

[swarthyguy]

Stop defending jihadis. They'll have their day in court.

Oh, yes DU, the true of a bankrupt freeper with nothing else to say, except go to DU!

[piasa]

I wonder if Bassem Khafagi is any relation to the Oil-for-Food Khafaji who paid off Scott Ritter?