What happened to Spc. James Kiehl that made his widow sick after meeting with military briefers?

El Paso Times ^ | 07/04/03 | Laura Cruz

[fourdeuce82d]

It was suspected that this could have been done to determine which men were circumcised (and possibly Jewish).

Maybe- but muslims circumcise as well. Actually, I think the pants being pulled down suggests something worse.

[MizSterious]

I believe AmericanInTokyo might have seen it. Perhaps he can shed some light on what this poor widow was told.

[MEG33]

I hope the criminals can be found if alive.I have hoped they are dead.

[MizSterious]

I've also heard that they like to humiliate their prisoners by raping them--yes, even the men.

[dennisw]

Hizballah Islamic mutilation billboard on the Lebanon Israel border. Showcasing how they mutilate IDF they capture. F' ing ghouls!

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7349_A_Message_of_Murder#comments

[dennisw]

I've also heard that they like to humiliate their prisoners by raping them--yes, even the men.

They can always rape with a bottle or metal shaft. One Islamic fave is to cut off the genitals and stuff it in the mouth. Done when dead but maybe alive too ......anyway that's how the poor soldier is found. The idea is to terrorize and bring dishonor on the enemy.

[MizSterious]

If they only knew--or cared--how much they dishonor themselves in committing such atrocities. How can a civilized world (excluding France, whose "civilization" is still a question) view them as anything other than barbarians? Animals have more honor.

[dennisw]

If they only knew--or cared--how much they dishonor themselves in committing such atrocities.

Bottom line is they care what Allah and the Koran think about it ...and they don't have much problem with what you and I think. The Koran is full of the bloody and treacherous exploits of Muhammed. Including the treaty he broke with the Quraiza (sh)tribe. Muhammed ended up cutting the heads off the 800 men and selling women and children into bondage.

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:4QTS4EFM-VMJ:answering-islam.org.uk/Nehls/Ask/model.html+tribe+mohammed+heads+800&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[weegee]

I'm surprised that there isn't a trial before the world court in repsonse to the images on that billboard.

I won't include the photos (that can be reached through the link above) but I will include the description of the images:

The billboard, seen below, shows 5 pictures. The picture on the top left is of a blown-up Israeli in a market after a suicide bombing. In the middle is a mutilated Israeli skull. On the top right is the picture of a wounded young Israeli soldier who was held captive. The bottom right is a picture of 2 Israelis being shot by a firing squad. On the bottom left is the picture of a member of Hezbollah holding up the severed head of an Israeli soldier at a celebration rally of the soldier's killing. On the sign in both Arabic and Hebew are the words "Beware Sharon (Israel's Prime Minister), we still have 3 of your soldiers." When the billboard was erected, Hezbollah had just kidnapped 3 Israeli soldiers (two were in their early 20s, one was 19). Hezbollah has since killed all three soldiers.

There is a UN compound near the Hezbollah bunkers where this billboard is posted.

[FrogMom]

I went in search of that video when it happened. I only found clips.

The one that haunts me is the dead soldier whose pants were pulled down with a completely blood-soaked lap area. Means he was alive when they did whatever they did.

[OldEagle]

I am not sure why his widow would want to or have to hear all the details. It is unlikely that the guilty ones will ever meet justice in this life, why ruin the rest of hers?

[faithincowboys]

I pretty sure they cut off his penis-- yet, more evidence that the people we are dealing with are savages that deserve no mercy! And frankly, we need to get a whole lot tougher with them!

[Fred Mertz]

This stuff isn't supposed to get out in the open. There might be a backlash within our borders during the heat of war, doncha know.

[Ciexyz]

I saw a posting of Arab atrocities on an infamous website whose addy I won't give here, and yes the Arabs pull down their enemy's pants, castrate him and stuff the result in the victim's mouth, then drag him victoriously thru the streets.

What can we expect from a culture that encourages suicide bombings by one sect of Muslims against another sect of Muslims in Pakistan? (270 people killed this weekend in one mosque suicide bombing.)

It's a pity that the world has winked at homicide bombings in Israel. Now they're seeing it spread to other countries.

[FrogMom]

They must have been asking questions.

It's hard to say which way I'd go...

I'm the wife of a 24-year now-retired Army vet and the mother of a Marine (HooYah!). I probably would want to know, but also know that it would make the hatred burn very bright. Am not sure that knowing would solve anything.

Pray to God that people are not in this postion again.

[jaykay]

What happened to Spc. Kiehl? This may shed some light:

QUOTE:
"That same day, March 28, an ambulance was sent by the hospital to pick up an American POW. Abdul Hadi was driving this time, and he says the American was a young man, about 19, with a buzz cut and reddish hair. The American was only lightly injured, if at all, and was held naked and handcuffed by the Saddam Fedayeen. He was smoking a cigarette. The Saddam Fedayeen refused to give up the American, and they chased Abdul Hadi away. That afternoon, the same American was brought to the hospital as a corpse, the doctors say, with multiple gunshot wounds, after having been executed by the Fedayeen. He was buried in the hospital compound, and his was one of the bodies recovered by the Americans on the morning of April 1."
Source: NY Times article

The description fits Spc. Kiehl. It's from the New York Times, so credibility may be an issue. This needs to be looked into, regardless of the accuracy of the NY Times piece. American POWs held by Iraq during 1991 Operation Desert Storm were beaten, some had bones broken, subjected to mock executions, were forced to make videotapes denouncing the U.S. etc.. The U.S. never pursued war crimes charges against the Iraqis. No wonder they feel free to entertain themselves by abusing and murdering captured Americans.

[jaykay]

I think they are informing the families because the press is getting some or all of the info and it would be terrible to learn of what happened to their loved ones from TV or newspaper reports. Note the story of the last hours of an American POW, probably Spc. Kiehl, in the excerpt from a NY Times article in my previous post.

[OldEagle]

It adds up.
The actions are a fact of this war and probably all wars. Perhaps the widow wanted to know the facts of her husbands death. War is hell. I think Pete Seeger (yes I'm that old) had a line "...I'll always wonder why, the worst of men must fight, and the best of men must die".
Some things never change.

[Jeff Head]

Thank you for post number 36. It was very informative.

Please reference this thread on how the home town of Comfort, TX honored their fallen son. They probably knew how he died and they sent the most appropriate message possible.

Every American should see that thread and that honor...it is awe inspiring.

God bless those folks...and God rest James and comfort his family.

[pepsionice]

My guess is that as Lynch lay there injured and unable to move, she watched the Iraqis execute these GIs. Part of her forgotten memory has to do with this episode. There is no doubt that these men were simply executed. You can look back at every major campaign since WW II...and in almost of them...the opposition has not abided by the Geneva Convention. While the civilized world puts great limits upon the US...they never say a word about these episodes when the other guys violate the convention.