The Death Knell of the Democratic Party-Dean's popularity means a McGovern-style trouncing

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | June 27, 2003 | Ben Johnson

[Captain Kirk]

Had Dubya been smart and declared victory in Iraq and turned over authority to an interim government this prediction would probably be accurate. The slow bleed in Iraq, however, will probably leave him in deep trouble at election time. I wish it were otherwise....but conservatives are miscalculating if they think this won't hurt him badly by next year.

[DManA]

it seems occasionally, bribes for left-wing British politician George Galloway.

Opps. Didn't the Christian Science Monitor reveal the documents "proving" this were false and apologize to Galloway?

[DManA]

Yea they did: http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0620/p01s03-woiq.html

[7thson]

It will not hurt Dubya badly next year because Iraq will be more stablized. The media will hang themselves with their own rope. They will continue to print and spew forth bad news, and the next thing you know there will be elections in Iraq. Also, the current Iranian government will be gone by the end of this year. This is how to achieve peace in Israel. Not from within but without. Change the governments of the nations surrounding Israel, cut the support and money flow. Bush will succeed. Getting back to Dean.

This is probably what Hitlery wants. I would not be surprised that if Dean wins the Dem nod. Then after a crushing McGovern-like defeat, Hitlery will step in as the savior of the party. The Repubs need to groom a 2008 candidate now!

[schaketo]

Dang it! Does this mean we have to drop our support for Crazy Al and get on the Dean bandwagon? We do need a unified effort?

[LS]

I don't think so. You'll soon see a reconstituted Iraqi military in place (probably within the next month); you'll see more aggressive anti-terrorist sweeps throughout Fallujah and Tikrit; and you'll see things pretty much back to normal in Iraq by December. It will not be an issue in 2004.

Had we done as you said, Saddam's boys would already be back in power, and we would have a massive problem on our hands.

[LS]

You are exactly right. That's why I think Hitlery has to be defeated BEFORE 2008, in the 2006 Senate run. Against Bush, she would be toast. But against who knows who---after all, the GOP put up Bob Dole---she could actually win. Very scary possibility.

[LS]

NO, we can have our cake and eat it too! SHARPTON FOR VEEP! SHARPTON FOR VEEP!

[mabelkitty]

No, this is better:
• As sometimes happens with Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-R.I.), he let his mouth race ahead of his brain Wednesday night at a gathering of Young Democrats at the Washington nightspot Acropolis. After presidential candidate Howard Dean spoke, Kennedy delivered an impassioned peroration against President Bush's tax cut. We hear that Kennedy told the crowd: "I don't need Bush's tax cut. I have never worked a [bleeping] day in my life." With that he got the audience's attention -- the dropping-jaws kind.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I prefer Bush to wave his Magic Wand and make everything better.

WHY HASN'T BUSH WAVED HIS MAGIC WAND? The American People demand to know.

We DemocRATS have a BETTER Magic Wand and we will wave it making deep thinkers like Captain Kirk sooo happy.

[pabianice]

Not when you consdier that this week's SCOTUS decisions mean that blacks will now get two votes in every election so as to "foster diversity."

[NotJustAnotherPrettyFace]

What's your source on that one?

[Captain Kirk]

You obviously can't defend your views on the merits so you call me a Democrat. My Clinton hating record on this forum makes you and most other armchair warriors look like amateurs by comparison. It was the Democrats (like you?) after all who supported similar policies such as Kosovo back in the 1990s. I am at least reasonably consistent.

[Captain Kirk]

I remember that pro-war conservatives totalled belittled antiwar freepers who predicted a guerrilla quagmire after the war. Few of them were prepared for this slow bleed. We shall see.

[wayoverontheright]

What do they think we’re going to do, bring back rape rooms? Rev up the Black-and-Deckers and start torturing children in front of their parents again?

To explain how these people can stonefacedly make these rediculous assertions, one has to understand who they really are. Pelosi and Dean are staunch anti-capitalist. What they fear most for the Iraqis is that we will whip a little capitalism on them, and that will be such a tragedy for the Iraqis, and socialists worldwide.

[wayoverontheright]

I might add that this is why their posture comes off as such a mystery to the rest of us, because they cannot tell the truth about why they feel the way they do.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Kosovo has nothing to do with the issue and many threads here illustrate my opposition to that inane insanity.

What the past has to do with your initial absurd comment escapes me at any rate. Boneheaded, utterly incorrect comments like that are not cancelled out by being correct at some point in the past.

Buying into the RAT rap then calling me a RAT is pretty funny and only compounds your embarrassment.

Why would anyone think you a RAT merely because you are mindlessly parroting RAT lies? Why would someone think you a RAT because you make mindlessly absurd comments which work to undermine our president?

Anyone with half a brain can see that Bush could never just wave that MAGIC WAND and make everything better. Only a fool would think a deeply entrenched vicious band of killers could be just wished away. I suppose Patton should have just pulled out of Germany after a couple of months and allowed "civilian" authority to take over again? It could have finished some of those nasty jobs down at the camps.

American and Coaltion forces will be in Iraq for years. There is NO alternative to that. Get used to it, we are dealing with a REAL world.

[harrowup]

Had Dubya been smart and declared victory in Iraq and turned over authority to an interim government this prediction would probably be accurate. The slow bleed in Iraq, however, will probably leave him in deep trouble at election time. I wish it were otherwise....but conservatives are miscalculating if they think this won't hurt him badly by next year.

Good read on what's up. President Bush needs to reshape whoever is advising him to be so beligerent in the face of universal yawns. He must stop allowing himself and others in the administration to keep beating the drums ... against Iran and Liberia, for example.

Kicking the crap out of terrorists and thugs is a noble endeavor. Threatening every tin-pot government is not.