MTV party turns ugly

NY Daily News ^ | 26 June 2003 | TRACY CONNOR

[rattrap]

You're right it's my fault, who do i make this 40 acres and a mule check out to?

actually since i'm white and straight i'll go ahead and take the blame for everything that's wrong today, so go ahead and blame me today for anything that happens to you or anyone you know.

[Drew68]

The clubs won't play the music because of the some of clientele that shows up. And that's their right.

There is a hard rock bar here in Denver that used to host a hip/hop night every Tuesday night.

Every Wednesday morning the bathrooms were vandalized and "tagged" and the fixtures were broken.

The crowd that showed up on Tuesday night was not the crowd of regulars who showed up the other six nights of the week. They were rude thug gangstas who acted belligerent and threatened the staff. The regulars knew well to avoid this place on Tuesday night.

Well, hip/hop night lasted only a few weeks before the owners said, "Screw This!" and resumed playing hard rock, metal and punk seven nights a week.

[Drew68]

This is the culture MTV plays to. What else do you expect?

I sure miss the 80's, back when MTV was actually WORTH watching...

I occasionally turn on VH1C (classics) for old videos from the 60s, 70s, and 1980s. It brings back memories from the days when MTV actually played a diverse range of music.

Now they are almost exclusively hip/hop (for the few hours a day that they actually play music).

VH1 has also turned almost exclusively hip/hop (except when they play a bunch of E! -type programming like "celebrity marriages" and such). MTV2 is just as bad -damn near all hip/hop.

Fer cryin' out loud! I might as well watch BET! There is no difference.

There is no place for rock music on TV anymore. MTV hates rock. It is too white and they won't play it (except for maybe briefly during the middle of the night).

MTV glamorizes and crams this gangsta-thug music down kids throats and then wonders why their parties turn violent.

[ServesURight]

Hip-Hop rules. All you Pink Floyd-loving FReepers are just playa-hating.

[GSWarrior]

Liquid Television and Beavis and Butthead were worth watching, IMO.

[clamboat]

er,...uhm,...Word!

[AppyPappy]

I used to work in a bar. We used to do the same with Southern Rock and country music. It kept the thugs out of the bars. If there were too many of them, we played Beach Music until they left.

[Drew68]

Hip-Hop rules. All you Pink Floyd-loving FReepers are just playa-hating.

Yo rite! Don't be da niggaz dat playa-hate! Be da niggaz dat playa-participate!

[HurkinMcGurkin]

VH1 has also turned almost exclusively hip/hop

Actually, that's not true at all. Less than 10% of what they play is hip/hop. And its generally stuff that's a hip/hop and R&B mix. When I catch their "Top 20 Countdown", there is no rap like they play on "Direct Effect", the show this article referenced.

[Lee'sGhost]

Hey, remember when MTV actually played videos.

I keep thinking, "Man, there's got to be an opportunity for someone to re-introduce a 24-hour video program that only plays videos and only videos with real music."

[Lee'sGhost]

Hip-Hop rules my butt.

[Drew68]

Actually, that's not true at all. Less than 10% of what they play is hip/hop.

It seems that everytime I turn on VH1 it is playing "Driven" with P. Diddy or "Behind the Music" with Biggie Smalls or Tupac. Then there is the ad nauseum broadcasting of "House Party" during their "Movies That Rock"

You are right though, it isn't nearly as bad as MTV. Though why does VH1 even need to broadcast 10% hip/hop when MTV is virtually 100% hip/hop? (And I'd say VH1 is more like 40% --watch VH1 on the weekends sometime. I've seen entire weekends dedicated to nothing but hip/hop.)

Can't there be a haven for those of us who dislike hip/hop (besides CMT)?

[Lee'sGhost]

"Liquid Television and Beavis and Butthead were worth watching, IMO."

Maybe so. But could have just as easily have played on Comedy Channel. I'm telling you, a real video music channel like MTV when it first started would blow present day MTV out of the water.

[wardaddy]

You have to look at who staffs MTV....it's all NYC urban "kulture" innundating the country....and it's not just blacks...it has permeated lower income urban whites with the same appeal:

Drugs, quick money, slutty women and violent behavior.

It is tailor made for fatherless boys without a clue and girls borne of teenaged moms who think they are mules if they haven't had at least one bastard child in their teens.

Folks talk about poor white rednecks....I guess there are a few but I don't see them. All the young poor white males around where I work are black gangstas in all but skin color.

We have cultural and literal integration here and it's not very pretty on the whole.

I know of course that some rich white kids play gangsta...that is more of a joke.

[skeeter]

If there were too many of them, we played Beach Music until they left.

I hope you're kidding. 'cause you haven't fracased until you've brawled with these characters.

[Drew68]

You have to look at who staffs MTV....it's all NYC urban "kulture" innundating the country....and it's not just blacks...it has permeated lower income urban whites with the same appeal:

It is the America that Sumner Redstone (owner of Viacom) wants to see.

[AppyPappy]

Not the Beach Boys. Beach Music. I'm talking about music by the Tams, the Clovers. the Embers.

[weegee]

Who needs MTV? PBS in Houston airs gansta music videos on Saturday nights (around midnight).

[HurkinMcGurkin]

It seems that everytime I turn on VH1 it is playing "Driven" with P. Diddy or "Behind the Music" with Biggie Smalls or Tupac.

Yeh, I almost mentioned that those types of shows are about the only time you see rap. They do play those types of shows too much. I do, however, enjoy their "I Love the '80's" series, although I have seen them all about three times.

Can't there be a haven for those of us who dislike hip/hop (besides CMT)?

I understand that if you subcribe to Direct TV or other satelite services, there are other MTv and VH-1 channels. I got regular cable so I miss out. I think MTv even had a channel dedicated to hard rock, but canceled it.

[wardaddy]

One has to wonder what an 80 year old Jew from RI or Mass. sees in all this crap besides ...$$$$.

Shame...he should know better.

But, go look at their staff, it's all about the theme they purvey.

He's ruining CMT while he's at it too.