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Former Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox, Dies
AP | 6/25/03

Posted on 06/25/2003 4:33:33 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: RJCogburn
The Maddox pic was full size, head to toe!!!
41 posted on 06/25/2003 4:22:37 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: AnAmericanMother
It was cheaper than oil painting, for sure. Heh.
We produced it at Meisel Photochrome, which was a
big pro lab at the Six Flags Industrial Park.
42 posted on 06/25/2003 4:26:36 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: AnAmericanMother
I took my screen name from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged where the plot was "What would happen if the producers of the world quit and went 'on strike'".

Now Lester Maddox was no John Galt, but he did fulfill Rand's scenario.
Though blacks were not allowed on one side of his counter, they were the folks hired in the kitchen and elsewhere..

When the Feds and the NAACP yahoos came making their demands, Lester vowed he would shut it down rather than capitulate..... and he did.

And the hired help were out of work.
Oh well....you got to break a few eggs and all that.

43 posted on 06/25/2003 4:31:18 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: gcruse
My husband and I used to do a lot of business with Meisel when he was a semi-professional photographer (he also had a "real" job).

You don't happen to recall a great big guy (6'6", 240 lbs) with a bright red beard who was (and still is) a Leica fanatic?

44 posted on 06/25/2003 4:58:42 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: eddie willers
Maddox put a big old black shroud over the Pickrick sign. In big white capital letters it said, "This Light Put Out By LBJ".

By any measure, he was eccentric. For years he lived up at the corner of Johnson Ferry and Shallowford Road in East Cobb County. He would put topical and political signs, hand painted, up in his yard from time to time.

When he was so ill from his stroke, a friend of mine who lives around the corner took him a casserole and chatted with him for awhile. He missed his wife awfully - I think she died in '97. I hope they are reunited in heaven.

45 posted on 06/25/2003 5:02:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: GaConfed
No loss at all - he won't be missed.
46 posted on 06/25/2003 5:05:27 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (road trip.....)
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To: AnAmericanMother
For years he lived up at the corner of Johnson Ferry and Shallowford Road in East Cobb County. He would put topical and political signs, hand painted, up in his yard from time to time.

I saw them.
My then girlfriend's family was one of the first to move into the Atlanta Country Club sub-division off of Paper Mill.

I used to get there by taking a left off of Riverside Drive and waiting for cars to pass on the ONE LANE bridge crossing the river on Johnson's Ferry LOL!

47 posted on 06/25/2003 5:11:55 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: AnAmericanMother
Growing up in Stone Mountain Georgia and graduating from High School in 1973, I remember Gov. Lester Maddox very fondly.

I was very sad to hear about his death this morning. In many ways, he molded my views as to how a politician should represent the people. While Governor, he was always honest and his house was open to the public. You could drop by and chat with him at any time.

He was one of the "good guys."

48 posted on 06/25/2003 5:25:46 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: eddie willers
LOL - Atlanta's changed a little bit, hasn't it? You can always tell an Old Atlantan by the way they make reference to where this or that "used to be" -

I used to take Roswell Road up to go to sleepaway summer camp at then Camp Chattahoochee (where the Chattahoochee Nature Center is now). We crossed the river on Roswell Road on a ONE LANE BRIDGE. There was also a one-lane on Paces Ferry at the river (where Robinson's Tropical Gardens used to be - my mom and dad hung out there as young marrieds.) All those bridges were identical green riveted truss bridges - must have been built by the same company.
49 posted on 06/25/2003 5:40:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Hunble
I think on balance that he was.

I was just chatting with a (black) friend this morning about how all the icons of that era are passing away - Hosea Williams, then Maynard Jackson, now Lester Maddox - seems like all at once.

I guess I'm a populist at heart, I always have a soft spot for the "people's men" like Williams and Maddox, and I never did trust Jackson. Too smooth and slick.

50 posted on 06/25/2003 5:43:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: afuturegovernor
I think that Republican Howard H. "Bo" Callaway would have gotten my vote if I lived in 1966 Georgia.

That race was similar to the last presidential election. Callaway actually got the most votes, but a liberal democrat named Ellis Arnold ran as an independant protest candidate, and got enough votes to ensure that no one got a majority. The state constitution stated at that time that if no one got a majority the state legislature would vote for the next governor. Of course, the legislature being totally dominated by democrats voted overwhelmingly for Maddox.

I don't approve of the way Maddox was elected, and the law has since been changed. However, in hindsight, it was a blessing. The RINO rich elite one worlder, Howard H. (Bo) Callaway ran away to Colorado very soon after the election to hobnob with the elitist wine and cheese crowd on the ski slopes of Aspen and Vail, and never to live in our fair state of Georgia again. This bad act proves, in a crystal clear manner in my opinion, that Bo Callaway cared a lot about being governor, and all the power and prestige that goes along with it, and very very damn little about the good, decent people of the state of Georgia. Republican or not, he is of the same feather as Roy Barnes and Jimmy Carter as far as I'm concerned.

Lester Maddox, on the other hand, turned out to be the most honest, and decent high public office holder I've ever known of. For example, when the schools were totally integrated in 1970, largely because of the active involvement of Gov. Maddox, they were done so with very little controversy or disturbances. As to his sentiments about these particular actions, I couldn't say. I would guess that he was against such drastic change in so short a period of time (btw, for him to not bar blacks from the Pickrick at the time he did would have been unlawful. Remember, Jim Crow was the L-A-W in Georgia at that time. In fact, IMHO, that was the only thing wrong with Jim Crow legally). I don't think we could say the same for South Boston or Cicero, now could we?

As I went through my daily grind today, the only person that mentioned anything to me about Gov. Maddox's death was an old black man who is a caretaker of one of our recycling centers here in my rural abode. He had tears in his eyes as he expressed what great admiration and respect he had for him, and how angry it made him when he heard some young black man who wasn't even born when Maddox was governor talk about him in strongly unflattering, and untrue terms; he also told me how ashamed he was of himself because, instead of defending Maddox, he simply left the scene to get his anger under control.

The old man's words brought back memories of how fearful my family's black maid, and most of the other blacks that lived within proximity of my rural Georgia boyhood home were when Lester Maddox was officially elected govorner, and how their fear, almost to a person, turned to admiration and contentment within a month afterwards. You see, the lion's share of Maddox's opposition when he was governor were big city Atlanta black elites like Julian Bond and Maynard Jackson. Of course thier opposition was just an expression of their evil, and evil being what it is, will always endever to to destroy the true and the good. It was my distinct impression that a huge majority of the good, moral small town and rural black Georgians had a great admiration for Lester Maddox then, and of the one's that remember those times, still do. As for all of you on this thread who seem to take great glee in demonizing a good man on his passing away, I'll go easy on you. I'll assume y'all aren't evil, but merely speaking with the ignorance of a tree stump.

51 posted on 06/25/2003 5:47:23 PM PDT by GaConfed
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To: AnAmericanMother
all the icons of that era are passing away

Is Jimmy Carter next?

Seriously, I thought Maddox and Carter were two of the best Governors that Georgia ever had. As President, Carter was a disgusting failure, but Georgia loved him.

52 posted on 06/25/2003 5:48:51 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
You might not have said that if you had been working on the Hill. He like to drove us crazy, and it was the same micromanaging habits combined with the tendency to lose sight of the big picture that made him so annoying and ineffectual as president.

Just ONE example - towards the end of his term when the "energy crisis" was getting started (must have been 73 or 74) he would personally walk around the Capitol and the Legislative Office Building turning down thermostats "to save energy". But (as any employee of the GBA could have told him) the thermostats are balanced, so all he did was throw everything out of whack and make the GBA maintenance crew work overtime.

53 posted on 06/25/2003 6:01:51 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I moved from Georgia to California in 1973. What happened with Gov. Carter after I left, is an history I simply do not know about.

My parents now live in Roswell, so these stories tonight bring back fond memories.

54 posted on 06/25/2003 6:07:20 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
. . . there were giants in the earth in those days . . .

Atlanta has changed an awful lot. So has Roswell. Where do your parents stand on the "bring back Milton County" movement? :-D

55 posted on 06/25/2003 6:10:47 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
"bring back Milton County" movement?

I give up, what is that about? Being absolutely ignorant about the subject, I could not even ask my parents about the issue.

56 posted on 06/25/2003 6:14:27 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Well, I'll have to give you a little ancient history. Back in the Depression, Milton County to the north of Fulton County and Campbell County to the south, went bankrupt. Fulton County took over operations, which is why the county is shaped so funny - a skinny middle with a bulge at each end.

The folks in North Fulton (f/k/a Milton) are getting sick of being taxed to death by the Atlanta-controlled County Commission and not getting any services. The downtowners look on North Fulton as a cash cow and provide as few services as possible although N. Fulton pays the lion's share of the property taxes (many areas don't get trash pickup or only get it once a week at the curb - I pay less in Cobb County for twice a week pickup at the house than I did in Fulton). There has been a movement afoot to secede from Fulton and go their own way as Milton.

Problem No. 1: the Georgia Constitution says there can be no more counties in Georgia than 159 (or whatever the current number is).

Unexpected Solution No. 1: There is a county down below Columbus (Quitman, I think) that is talking about dissolving and merging with a neighboring county (Stewart?). That would leave the door open for a new County No. 159. The legislature would love nothing better than to stick Atlanta in the eye . . . . as per always.

Those of us on the sidelines await the outcome with interest. :-D

57 posted on 06/25/2003 6:21:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm about 65 miles south of Atlanta, and a new golf course community with houses 300 thou and up coming in. When I heard about it I immidiately thought of modern day, chasing-a-dollar-bill-down-the-street Roswell. I got sick to my stomach.

So has Roswell. Where do your parents stand on the "bring back Milton County" movement? :-D

58 posted on 06/25/2003 6:25:53 PM PDT by GaConfed
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To: GaConfed
You down Hampton way?

I'm in central Cobb/ Vinings. At least it's old money and not the nouveaux riches, and there are no subdivision covenants or homeowners' agreements (all expired on the old 21 year limit). But we're just here for the schools - my husband is already eyeing land in West Cobb - Paulding with an eye to expanding his amateur radio antenna farm as soon as the kids finish school. We're really country folk at heart - both families were dirt farmers back into the dawn of time, just moved to the big city to get an education and find a job . . .

59 posted on 06/25/2003 6:30:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The folks in North Fulton (f/k/a Milton) are getting sick of being taxed to death by the Atlanta-controlled County Commission

Now even I can answer for my parents on that issue:

Heck Yes!

Interesting idea and I need to pay attention to this issue.

60 posted on 06/25/2003 6:31:52 PM PDT by Hunble
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