Dick Morris Restates "Big Theory" (Rush Limbaugh)

Rush Limbaugh ^ | June 24, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh

[deport]

Who is the leader of our party? .....

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Hey you could be a reelection leader for President Bush right here on FR..... Just think..... tlbshow is leading the charge to reelect President Bush and many other Republicans....

How's you NY Senate race coming. Maybe you could take charge up there and get another Republican Senator elected. How about it?

[jmc813]

OK, I've been monitoring this thread for much of the day and I cant resist it any more.......

I hope you don't mind, Dane. I seriously couldn't resist. In all seriousness though, while I don't agree with you 100%, you have brought up some pretty good points on this thread. Even though I won't automatically jump down someone's throat when they criticise Bush, I've noticed in the last few days that there are some trolls (who will go unmentioned) who seem to be wanting to just start arguments as opposed to facilitating real discussion, and thow out the "Bush is a socialist" line with no intention of defending their position in clean debate.

[Lazamataz]

Did you ever get rid of that bug?

No, but the guy refused to close his business, too!

[Amelia]

Reagan's budget had to get past a House held by the opposition for all eight years. The opposition was the big-spending Democrats. Therefore, Reagan had to compromise with the party whose impulse was bigger spending.

Well, then, that explains why Reagan said of the Earned Income Tax Credit:

"It is the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress."
-Ronald Reagan

The relevant comparison is spending under Clinton with a GOP legislature, which grew more slowly, even setting aside defense spending, than it has under Bush.

Actually, I think spending grew more slowly under Clinton because he did 'set aside defense spending' - and I believe part of the reason it's growing again under Bush (and one reason it grew so quickly under Reagan) is that both Bush & Reagan put high priorities on defense spending.

By the way, I notice that I had addressed this line of argument to TLBSHOW, in response to something he said, and he's yet to answer me. Wonder why?

[Sabertooth]

Oh that's right, you have to use the primary symbolism of pictures to prove your point, not words, excuse my faux pas.

It's quite alright, this has all been more amusing than is usually expected.

In any case, I've realized that you've made a serious contribution to logical theory on this thread, that is, the epitomization of a particlar type of reasoning...

Argumentum ad felinem.

When it occurs to me, I'll rember to call it "The Danish Fallacy."

Regards,

[Sabertooth]

Well, then, that explains why Reagan said of the Earned Income Tax Credit:

No, that's explained by the fact that Reagan, like Bush, is fallible, and capable of doing and saying dumb things.

I'd be curious to know why he said that, and the underlying circumstances. Did he know he was polishing a turd? Maybe, I don't know.

The main point, though, about Reagan's budgets still stands. He never had the advantage of a GOP controlled legislature.

Actually, I think spending grew more slowly under Clinton because he did 'set aside defense spending' - and I believe part of the reason it's growing again under Bush (and one reason it grew so quickly under Reagan) is that both Bush & Reagan put high priorities on defense spending.

It's true that Clinton tried to hide government growth by slashing the military, and that Bush's spending increases are partly accounted for by the necessary rebuilding of our military.

It's also true that setting aside the military, the growth of government spending is increasing faster under Bush than under Clinton. Not because of Clinton's discipline, but because the GOP House and Senate were more fiscally restrained in the 90s than they are under Bush.

By the way, I notice that I had addressed this line of argument to TLBSHOW, in response to something he said, and he's yet to answer me. Wonder why?

Dunno, and I'm not sure it matters. Your question was answered.

[Amelia]

No, that's explained by the fact that Reagan, like Bush, is fallible, and capable of doing and saying dumb things.

In other words, both Bush and Reagan did some things conservatives don't like.

Thanks, that was my point.

[TLBSHOW]

By the way, I notice that I had addressed this line of argument to TLBSHOW, in response to something he said, and he's yet to answer me. Wonder why?


I am busy catching rats on a Coulter thread. So sorry.

[TLBSHOW]

LOLROF

[deport]

I am busy catching rats

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Are you doing any campaigning for the reelection of President Bush while you are hunting your buds..... Never forget to support the other Republicans also...

[Amelia]

I am busy catching rats on a Coulter thread. So sorry.

Ummm, you know, we can all look at your latest comments....

But don't worry about it, that's a good place for you to be. Carry on.

[Sabertooth]

In other words, both Bush and Reagan did some things conservatives don't like.

Thanks, that was my point.

Great, and it doesn't stop there. Reagan signed an amnesty for Illegals, and a big tax increase for a meaningless handshake promise with the Democrats for spending cuts down the road.

Simply asking "did Reagan ever make mistakes?" would serve the purpose. Getting into questions about budgets where Reagan didn't have a GOP House diverts attention from that point.

Since, however, we're in agreement that not everything Bush does will necessarily be something conservatives will like, he may in fact, be flat out wrong on occasion. Right?

[Jhoffa_]

No, but the guy refused to close his business, too!

LOL!

[justshe]

Getting into questions about budgets where Reagan didn't have a GOP House diverts attention from that point.

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Having read this entire thread, and to be fair, Amelia, I think by my reading, was initially responding to a direct comment by TLBSHOW re: pandering to BIG government (spending)and TLB posted the Reagan quote:

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It sure isn't unless we all get together and demand that Bush stop his pandering for BIG GOVT.

as Reagan said

Govt is the Problem not the solution.

279 posted on 06/25/2003 12:50 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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[Amelia]

Amelia...was initially responding to a direct comment by TLBSHOW re: pandering to BIG government (spending)and TLB posted the Reagan quote: Govt is the Problem not the solution.

Exactly. And we've established now that Reagan, who thought that 'government was the problem, not the solution', nonetheless supported a large increase in the EITC, and "signed an amnesty for Illegals, and a big tax increase..."

In fact, several of the things Bush is being crucified for here are things that Reagan also did - yet Reagan is still considered a conservative hero.

Odd, isn't it?

[justshe]

Memories should come with built-in truth-detectors.

[hchutch]

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If this works - if that privatization mechanism is implemented, we win. And yes, we're going to have to work our butts off to keep the GOP in. That's the price we're going to have to pay for Bush and the House putting that mechanism in there.

It comes down to, what price are you willing to pay for those steps towards privatization? What risks are you willing to take for those steps? What alternatives do you have to offer that will succeed as opposed to dying in some Congressional committee or due to a filibuster?

[Mo1]

Oh I don't like that picture .. got a better one?

[justshe]

You know that old adage about attracting more bees with honey than you do with vinegar?

Perhaps an updated image to reflect the REAL sabertooth is in order. Yeah.....THAT'S the ticket!

[TLBSHOW]

I'm back..

the rat has been taken out over on the Coulter thread..