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Posted on 06/23/2003 7:15:56 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Torie
Having said all that, take the case of California. If admissions were strictly on the basis of academic competence, the classes would be about 50% Asian, 45% Anglo, and 5% other, maybe. In a state where about half the residents are Hispanic or Black, the net result is that public support for elite public higher education would arguably be eviscerated over time, and these institutions really are a generator of economic growth.
I'm not sure an evisceration over time is likely. The JCs are filled with blacks and Latinos. Even if they are underrepresented at the UC level now, over time those JC students (or their children to whom they've passed the value of education) are going to filter in to the UC or Cal State systems.
To: Luis Gonzalez
Dear sir, I would not have brought up the issue of race had you not made what you suggest was a humorous statement that whites are afraid. I found that offensive and since I did not know that you were trying to be funny, I responded. Frankly, I may have a horrible sense of humor, but I don't even see what is funny or a propos.
If I offended you by saying rights don't exist...let me repeat the context--the post which answered your question:
"Finally, I'm looking for the part about God waiting for the U.S. government to come into being so that he could grant rights to all men. Could you help me out please?"
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if you are being sincere, there is your answer. Governments must be defined and instituted among men in order to ensure those inalienable rights. Until an objective set of laws is made manifest through a constitution, those rights cannot be defended or "secured." An objective set of laws requires an orderly government. The aboriginies in any land do not possess title to the land they live upon. In fact, their lawlessness is one of their defining characteristics...which is why our settling of the West was so bloody.
To: ModernDayCato
Thanks, Cato. I'm done with this thread. Nice to meet you.
To: The Westerner
"Governments must be defined and instituted among men in order to ensure those inalienable rights. Until an objective set of laws is made manifest through a constitution, those rights cannot be defended or "secured."A far cry from your original statement denying the existence of rights sans government.
Rights exist with, or without government.
Government can only do two things: defend those rights, or violate them.
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06/24/2003 10:09:21 PM PDT
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Luis Gonzalez
(Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
To: The Westerner
My pleasure.
To: Torie
I'm not often a fan of Michael Kinsley, but he got it right about the odious,
purposely muddled O'Connor opinion which will chain us to terribly
unfair college admissions practices for decades to come.
A disgraceful decision. The fact that the majority opinion was penned by a Reagan appointee is just galling.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." my ass.
Michael Kinsley on the SC AA decision, Washington Post
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06/26/2003 11:00:42 AM PDT
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beckett
To: beckett
Tomorrow morning, Connerly and Wood take the initiative in Michigan.
Let's see what the politicians say!
Cheers, and giving my all for the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative,
Richard F.
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07/07/2003 7:21:09 PM PDT
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rdf
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