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An Open Letter to the Rosenberg Son
Front Page Magazine ^ | 6/18/03 | Ronald Radosh

Posted on 06/18/2003 4:07:04 PM PDT by DPB101

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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
No, you are right. It is a beautiful song but it was largely appropriated by the Left to show how heartless American capitalism is. It was the only song the guy Meerpol had any real success with.
21 posted on 06/18/2003 8:51:12 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
You're right. It did happen.

Lynchings: By Year and Race

Year Whites Blacks Total

1882 64 49 113
1883 77 53 130
1884 160 51 211
1885 110 74 184
1886 64 74 138
1887 50 70 120
1888 68 69 137
1889 76 94 170
1890 11 85 96
1891 71 113 184
1892 69 161 230
1893 34 118 152
1894 58 134 192
1895 66 113 179
1896 45 78 123
1897 35 123 158
1898 19 101 120
1899 21 85 106
1900 9 106 115
1901 25 105 130
1902 7 85 92
1903 15 84 99
1904 7 76
83
1905
5
57
62
1906
3
62
65
1907
3
58
61
1908
8
89
97
1909
13
69
82
1910
9
67
76
1911
7
60
67
1912
2
62
64
1913
1
51
52
1914
4
51
55
1915
13
56
69
1916
4
50
54
1917
2
36
38
1918
4
60
64
1919
7
76
83
1920
8
53
61
1921
5
59
64
1922
6
51
57
1923
4
29
33
1924
0
16
16
1925
0
17
17
1926
7
23
30
1927
0
16
16
1928
1
10
11
1929
3
7
10
1930
1
20
21
1931
1
12
13
1932
2
6
8
1933
2
24
28
1934
0
15
15
1935
2
18
20
1936
0
8
8
1937
0
8
8
1938
0
6
6
1939
1
2
3
1940
1
4
5

As of 1939 when the song was written, lynching was on the wane, yet still relevant. I would hate to think that outrage about lynching was exclusively a left-wing phenomenon.


22 posted on 06/18/2003 8:51:48 PM PDT by caspera
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To: HISSKGB
"Radosh is an exceptional man. He was groomed and nurtured in the same sort of environment as the Rosenbergs but he was smart and moral enough to eventually learn to value the real America instead of trying to destroy it. "

Very true....for anyone interested his beginnings and seeds of doubt are retold in his non-fiction book Commies.

23 posted on 06/18/2003 8:52:51 PM PDT by Katya
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
The lyrics were designed to create a stereotype of the South. Blacks lynched from every tree. One the left continues to this day (while not mentioning that black on black crime has killed more blacks in the last decade than Jim Crow ever did).Leon Trotsky.On Black Nationalism (1934)
It is necessary to teach the American beasts. It is necessary to make them understand that the American state is not their state and that they do not have to be the guardians of this state . . .

The Negro has not yet got it into his poor black head that he dares to carve out for himself a piece of the great and mighty States . . .

It is then possible that the Negroes will become the most advanced section. We hate already a similar example in Russia. The Russians were the European Negroes.

It is very possible that the Negroes also through the self-determination will proceed to the proletarian dictatorship in a couple of gigantic strides, ahead of the great bloc of white workers. They will then furnish the vanguard. I am absolutely sure that they will in any case fight better than the white workers.

Trotsky was so stupid, he thought American blacks spoke their own language.
24 posted on 06/18/2003 8:55:56 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: thegreatbeast
Interestingly, my husband has a doctorate in music; he has taught college-level music history and is an accomplished jazz musician. I mentioned this to him tonight, and he was as surprised as I was that "Strange Fruit" had been interpreted here as a "communist anthem". (He's a conservative, incidentally.)

How, specifically, did the Left "appropriate" the song? I'm sincerely curious.
25 posted on 06/18/2003 8:56:43 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm indifferent, but it's a crisp indifference.)
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To: Deb
Strange fruit may be about lynching and not about Coommunism, (gee, we're not stupid!) but it is and has been a Communist anthem. And that's how they manage to fools some of us most of the time, I might add! (Hand wringing about "Racism" is what unites the extreme Right and the extreme Left in this country. Run for the hills, I say!) And even if it were only a pop Tin Pan Alley hit tune about lynching that would be quite pathetic, doncha think?
26 posted on 06/18/2003 8:59:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: DPB101
The lyrics were designed to create a stereotype of the South. Blacks lynched from every tree.

Well, there were a significant number of lynchings, weren't there? The South was not a friendly place for black Americans, was it? (Or have I been buying into some leftist propaganda?)

I appreciate the information - don't get me wrong - I just don't see the proof that the song was "intended" to do anything but describe, in poetic terms, something that took place.

The writer was a communist, but I don't see any call to action in the lyrics, do you?

(By the way, I am as anti-communist as they come, but I must say this is a brilliant piece of music.)

27 posted on 06/18/2003 9:02:55 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm indifferent, but it's a crisp indifference.)
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To: caspera
As of 1939 when the song was written, lynching was on the wane, yet still relevant. I would hate to think that outrage about lynching was exclusively a left-wing phenomenon.

Agreed. Thank you for the informative post.

28 posted on 06/18/2003 9:04:09 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm indifferent, but it's a crisp indifference.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
As I said in my earlier post I saw a documentary on the song itself and its history. It was half about Billie Holiday and half about the Rosenberg's adopted father. He was a NYC teacher, a committed red, a literary whirlwind within that circle and the author of 'Strange Fruit'.
As I said I find the song as beautiful and mournful as anybody else. No question about it being a classic of its type. (Incidentally, there was a famous novel of that name that I used to have from that time which probably was the inspiration for the song.) But it was written by a Jewish communist from NYC who had probably never been south of Hoboken. It was written for a play that the Red Brigades (my term & usage here) were putting on within their own red communists teachers union milieu.
Do a little searching around and you'll find this documentary. I saw it very recently on one of the communist stations: Bravo, IFC or Sundance. ;^)
29 posted on 06/18/2003 9:26:40 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: thegreatbeast
I will look for that, thanks! Fascinating stuff. (I didn't know that it had been written for a play.)
30 posted on 06/18/2003 9:34:33 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm indifferent, but it's a crisp indifference.)
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To: DPB101
good article. thanks for the ping
31 posted on 06/18/2003 9:39:55 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
No coincidence that just as lynching were becoming rather rare a communist wrote a song about blacks hanging from every tree in the South. The MO is always the same. The intent is always the same. Meeropol didn't care that blacks were lynched. He was on Trotsky's side. He knew about Stalin's purges. He knew about 7 million murdered in the Ukraine between 1930 and 1933. He knew about the horrors under War Communism a decade before that (3 to 10 million murdered then). The blacks were "beasts" to be used to bring about a proletarian revolution. A couple dozen blacks hanged? Why would a man who didn't mind 30 million deaths, care about that?

32 posted on 06/18/2003 9:43:26 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: js1138
So what? Why do you think anyone cares about where you grew up? And what does that have to do with what I said? I didn't say blacks were carrried around on silk pillows. I said American Communists used their plight to try to provoke a revoltion.

Good Lord, what does you growing up in Florida have to do with anything? Get over yourself.

33 posted on 06/18/2003 9:45:51 PM PDT by Deb (Stop staring at my tag.)
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To: liberallarry
It is a good article. Puts a human face on Robert. I felt sorry for him when I read it. David Horowitz wrote in Radical Son how his father was near suicide once. He wanted to leave the CPUSA. But it was his life. All his friends were there. Without it, he would kill himself. Think that is were Robert is.
34 posted on 06/18/2003 9:46:36 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101; thegreatbeast
I've been doing a little digging because of thegreatbeast's suggestion, and I'm finding out a lot. Thanks again for the information. (One book review of a book that was written on the topic said that he learned of the lynchings of two men in a union newsletter he received, and it inspired him to write the song - whether that's true or not, I obviously couldn't say...the site was one of those screwball "struggling workers" pages.)
35 posted on 06/18/2003 9:54:07 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (I'm indifferent, but it's a crisp indifference.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
The commies wrote some good songs. Always for a good cause too--peace, land, bread. Stop the lynchings! No blood for oil! Their hearts were/are black is all.

If I had the talent and decided to use it to help people suffering, I would not write a song about how everyone wanted to hang them from trees. I would write something hopeful, tell them the odds were not stacked against them, that they could make it.

Liberals never do that. It is always about oppression and the cult of the victim (while making criminals into heros).

36 posted on 06/18/2003 10:02:09 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Deb
If it took communists to bring about this change, shame on us. It's really stupid to give your enemies bullets.
37 posted on 06/18/2003 10:02:38 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Yeah, whatever.

Try to focus.

The man said, "Strange Fruit" was a Communist anthem. He was right. Period.

You must drive your family nuts.

38 posted on 06/18/2003 10:14:25 PM PDT by Deb (Stop staring at my tag.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
i like the song and recently bought a cd of it after seeing the pbs documentary. the song is really good; lynching was really evil; the song was written by a committed communist who probably truly believed that he was helping blacks through his communist activities, and who was probably sincerely horrified by lynching. Stalin, Trotsky, and Lenin were evil manipulators. but average rank-and-file communists often believe in what they are doing. (I used to be one, and I knew many, many communists in the '60's.)
communists often wrote things to attack weak points of the capitalist system (e.g., southern racism; unpopular wars). the lyrics (or books or movie scripts) don't have to call for revolution--they just point out some really bad aspect of the capitalist system. then the communists organize a front group to fight that specific issue (e.g., the war in Iraq), and gradually recruit (noncommunist, and often naive) members of the front group (who don't even know it is a front group) into deeper communist involvement. the song "strange fruit" is a good example of this process.
39 posted on 06/18/2003 10:16:05 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
having been a communist, and knowing how they operate, I suspect that strange fruit was consciously part of a communist plan to organize around the issue of southern racism. the writer probably sincerely believed he was helping blacks by doing this and by promoting communism. Communists differentiate between the "mass line", i.e., what you say to the workers you are trying to organize (e.g., racism is bad, lynching is bad) and "party line" i.e., what you tell party members (only a communist revolution can end racism and lynchings).
Even a beautiful song like strange fruit can thus be part of a long-term plan.
this doesn't make the song bad; but even a beautiful song with lyrics that we can appreciate, and which denounces a true evil like lynching, can at the same time be part of a sinister communist operation. there are many levels in political processes.
40 posted on 06/18/2003 10:26:04 PM PDT by drhogan
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