Chabad vs. Sharon

Arutz Sheva ^ | June 17, 2003

[KantianBurke]

they gonna advocate Sharon's execution now like they did with Rabin?

[LarryM]

All it takes is 61 Knesset votes to send Sharon off into retirement.

[Tamar1973]

they gonna advocate Sharon's execution now like they did with Rabin?

Do you have a direct quote from a Chabad to back that up? Slander is a serious offence in Jewish culture.

[Salman]

they gonna advocate Sharon's execution now like they did with Rabin?

That wasn't Lubavitch.

[Nachum]

You gonna back up your stupidity with facts?

[Thinkin' Gal]

Many Chabad rabbis have signed a declaration stating that the adoption of the Road Map means that the Sharon government no longer has "the political right to exist."

Chokmah, binah, da'at. I wonder what the American version is. It certainly isn't the church in the Bush.

[Bill Davis FR]

All it takes is 61 Knesset votes to send Sharon off into retirement.

and where will the 61 votes come from???

[KantianBurke]

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/24/rabin.memorial/index.html

-excerpt- "But family members of the slain leader, who hold the right-wing Netanyahu partially responsible for the political climate in which Rabin was killed, asked that the prime minister not speak at the ceremony."

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/30/israel.forgot.rabin/index.html

-excerpt- "Before his death, right-wing demonstrations portrayed Rabin as an enemy of the state."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/books/1998/9812.brook.death.html

-excerpt- "a group of Israelis led by Avigdor Eskin gathered outside the home of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Wrapped in prayer shawls, they intoned the ancient Aramaic chant Pulsa da-Nura ("Lashes of Fire"), a Kabbalistic curse: "I deliver to you, the angels of wrath and ire, Yitzhak, the son of Rosa Rabin, that you may smother him and the specter of him, and cast him into bed, and dry up his wealth, and plague his thoughts, and scatter his mind that he may be steadily diminished until he reaches his death. Put to death the cursed Yitzhak. May [he] be damned, damned, damned!" After Rabin's assassination one month later - as Israel and the world mourned a great statesman - Eskin boasted of his prowess on Israeli television. The curse worked."

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V116/N53/rabin.53w.html

-excerpt-"According to Nomi Hazan, another member of parliament with her, the attacker called the women "traitors" and "murderers," as Rabin's opponents had before he was killed."

You going to address any of this or just keep up with the name calling?

[Nachum]

Yes I will adress it.

None of this had or has anything to do with Chabad, its philosophy, Rabbis, schools, or people.

You know nothing about what you are talking about and are completely ignorant on the matter. It is you who said "they", linking Chabad with this. It was indeed stupidity.

If the shoe fits.....

[KantianBurke]

So you're quite certain that during Rabin's tenure not a SINGLE Chabad made death threats? Wow! U must be quite popular with such a vast community as well as being blessed with a photographic memory of any and all of their actions! Congrats on such inante abilities. (sarcasm off)

[Nachum]

Yes. I am quite sure. There are Israeli intelligence agents in every religious organization in Israel. I am also intimately acqainted with a good deal of the Chabad leadership in both America and Isreal.

Your insinuation that somewhere, somehow there must be some Chabad Rabbi who made a death threat speaks more to your stupidity, arrogance, and an assumption that Chabad is capable of this violence because they have black hats and beards. (no sarcasm- at all)

[KantianBurke]

ah an unbiased participant taking ancedotal evidence as objective certainty. Why am I not surprised. Sorry. I'm inclined to believe what I read and saw in 94 prior to the assasination- plenty of images in Israel of those putting pics of Rabin in Nazi regalia and calling for his death. The onus is on them.

[E Rocc]

they gonna advocate Sharon's execution now like they did with Rabin?

It might be more accurate to talk about Kach than Lubavitch here. The latter is a religious movement, the former (banned in Israel) a nationalist one dripping with racial and religious bigotry. While many Kach members are Lubavitch followers (as was Baruch Goldstein), the latter may not always be the case...just like all Muslims don't back Hamas.

Nevertheless, Shin Bet is definitely worried about hard core Israeli nationalists posing a potential threat to Sharon and other pro-roadmap Israeli leaders. I think it would be a stretch to call them "anti-Israel" or "anti-Semetic".

-Eric

[bvw]

Do you also so confuse the "nuns" -- the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence -- who walk in San Francisco parades with the Sisters of Mercy?

[E Rocc]

While many Kach members are Lubavitch followers (as was Baruch Goldstein), the latter may not always be the case.

I meant the reverse may not always be the case.

-Eric

[bvw]

That's still pretty confusing.

[Nachum]

Sorry. I'm inclined to believe what I read and saw in 94 prior to the assasination- plenty of images in Israel of those putting pics of Rabin in Nazi regalia and calling for his death. The onus is on them.

The onus is who? Who are you talking about? Do you have the first idea? What do you believe? That all religious people are the same? That you can paint all black hats and beards with a broad brush because you saw pictures in 1994? What exactly did you read? Do you even know what the hell you are taliking about? You make a blanket accusation "they", include all of Chabad in it and tell me you read about it somewere? Where, sir? What article, publication, or writted material have you ever read that says anything remotely about Chabad Rabbis ever supporting attacks on Rabin or any other Israeli government official?

Stupidity was too nice a word.

[Alouette]

many Kach members are Lubavitch followers (as was Baruch Goldstein),

This is a complete lie.

[KantianBurke]

I already posted more than enough links for you to chew on. If denying them as well as reality since ur "well placed sources" say so (along with calling me names) makes you feel better then more power to you. However when you want to debate the merits feel free to respond back.