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As Wal-Mart Goes … Are Wal-Mart's weekly sales the best index of national economic health?
MSN slate ^ | June 10, 2003 | By Daniel Gross

Posted on 06/15/2003 5:10:01 PM PDT by Sonny M

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To: ETERNAL WARMING
They created alot of "part time" (meaning 39 hours a week so they don't have to pay benefits) jobs at $5.15 an hour, if you can live on it! They replaced livable wage jobs!

They do have alot of people over the 40 hour mark (70% of the employees...according to them work full time, however, I don't trust them, I don't know how they define "full time"), but in all likely hood, they don't make them work 40 plus hours a week because they want to, at some point it just becomes to inefficient to keep hiring people just to keep them under 40.

Still, wal-mart is not a company that can be trusted, they claim (and I think they are lying) that they do not keep or know what the average wages are for employees since local market conditions determine wages for workers, i.e. you work in NY you get one wage, Mississippi doing the same job, a different wage. Union leaders claim they wal mart pays around 8 bucks an hour on average, and does not include management in its average, they also note that wal mart does give health benefits after 2 years to even part timers, who surprise surprise don't seem to ever make it to there second year.

I can't say for sure how much they make, I don't trust the union guys, and wal-mart has so many different types of jobs with huge ranges in possible salary that them being secret (i.e. something to hide) makes it impossible to know what the average salaries are nationally.

61 posted on 06/16/2003 12:34:55 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
I was going to piss and moan about jobs but I'll lets others do that and say this. Wal-Mart knows how to market.

The main reason I hit Wal-Mart now is for game software, heheh, yeah snicker, the Wally near me has expanded its software section and even started carrying niche games besides the old "Deer Hunter" and "The Sims" stand-bys and it's not price but the availability I'm after

I would rather go to the Gamestop that is in the same mall with our local Wal-Mart but they don't open till 10:00 AM and close at 9:00 PM. I work third shift and it's nice to stop after work at 7:30 in the morning or before work after 10:00 PM, Wal-Mart hours.

Gamestop now shoves all the computer software into some small crowded shelves in the back of the store. Ask for a lesser known title and they don't have it and won't get it UNLESS you pay-order it. I was looking for Galactic Civilizations the other week. Gamestop didn't have it but would gladly order it for a 5 buck deposit. Har, I walked to the end of the mall and bought the game in Wal-Mart and saved 5 bucks. This is not a case of made in China cheaper since there is only one publisher and guess who will be making the profits.

62 posted on 06/16/2003 12:51:17 AM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: Mulder
I don't go to those stores either, except on rare occasions.

So then how do you know that what Wal-Mart does is different from any other chain?

63 posted on 06/16/2003 3:04:15 AM PDT by TomB
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To: Sonny M
Interesting concept.

FYI, the weekly sales figures mentioned in the article can be found here^.

64 posted on 06/16/2003 5:11:01 AM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: Sonny M; dighton; aculeus; general_re; L,TOWM; Constitution Day

What's good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA.
65 posted on 06/16/2003 5:23:12 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: TomB
Wal-Mart buys massive amounts of goods in China. This props up a murdering dictatorship and destroys manufacturing jobs in America.

Is this wrong? You're damn right it is. Wal-Mart corporation enjoys the freedoms of doing business in this great country and hides behind the legal and security protections of the United States of America while heartily trading with, and financing, the most brutal, murderous and repressive regime on earth.

You doubt that? Ask one of the dissidents who has managed to escape the nation/prison of China.

Wal-Mart earns its money on the backs of slave labor and at the expense of decent American citizens who want honest work at wages high enough to maintain a decent standard of living.

Wal-Mart is the enemy of the United States citizen by exploiting the work of some of the poorest, most oppressed people on earth and, by sheer volume, attempting to import that same poverty directly into the United States.

Wal-Mart is no model of American corporate enterprise. Destroying local business and refusing to buy products made in America has hurt this country, not helped it.

You do not help the American citizen by offering a dirt-cheap price at the cost of that very citizen's own job.

66 posted on 06/16/2003 3:54:46 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
So perhaps you can tell me exactly what products I can find in Wal-Mart that are made in China that are not available in other stores.
67 posted on 06/16/2003 4:02:32 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Sonny M
Every time I see Wal-Mart income and profit numbers I recall that the and their customers are happily subsidizing that many more Chicom H bomb-tipped missiles aimed at us.

Their missiles and bombs will work and be targeted well too, since the treasonous Felon and compliant US companies sold them our secrets. I know I repeat this a lot, but it is still true whether Wal-Mart lovers agree or not.

68 posted on 06/16/2003 4:38:00 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (RATS are scum with poor memories)
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I don't like wal-mart for a few reasons. One of them is, is that they get special treatment from local governments because they create alot of jobs. They go to a town, tell them to use eminant domain (i.e. kick those folks out of there homes so we can build here), and in return, we will create alot of jobs and also pay alot in taxes.

Local governments happyily agree, and say nothing while wal-mart uses predatory tactics to run the competition out of business, those people are lucky if wal-mart hires them.

In the end, the local government is happy, you now have a superstore that has created alot of brand new jobs, and pays alot of taxes to boot, and so what, some small business got shafted and some people lost there homes, but it all about creating new jobs right?

69 posted on 06/16/2003 4:54:49 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
"only stockholders love WalMart"

Wal-Mart's sales don't seem to support that conclusion.

70 posted on 06/16/2003 9:05:50 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: TomB
So then how do you know that what Wal-Mart does is different from any other chain?

I don't. I don't like any of the big stores.

My dislike for walmart is intensified by the fact that the b!tch was on the board of directors, the fact that their stores are filthy and crowded, and because they are pushing this RFID technology.

71 posted on 06/16/2003 9:33:58 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: TomB
Hey, I'm not your personal shopping consultant. Go ahead and buy from Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart sales subsidize the world's largest and most brutal dictatorship with the dollars of American consumers who are simultaneously being put out of work by the grand scheme.

No company in America has larger sales of Chinese goods than Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's excessive reliance on Chinese-made goods is BAD for Americans. It is putting more Americans in the unemployment lines every day.

Wal-Mart cannot hire all of the American people their buying pattern puts out of work. Manufacturing jobs in America have traditionally been good jobs to earn a living wage. Service jobs such as those at Wal-Mart simply do not pay as well.

Ultimately, everything at Wal-Mart will be dirt cheap and unemployment will be so bad, Americans will not earn enough to buy even at Wal-Mart's low prices.

Wal-Mart appears to be the American consumer's best friend by "stretching your dollar." They are, by their sales model, making sure the American consumer cannot EARN a dollar.

72 posted on 06/18/2003 5:08:08 PM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
No company in America has larger sales of Chinese goods than Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart's excessive reliance on Chinese-made goods is BAD for Americans.

But you can't tell me WHAT goods you are talking about. Why should anybody believe you if you cannot back up what you are saying?

Hey, I'm not your personal shopping consultant. Go ahead and buy from Wal-Mart.

It has nothing to do with being a "shopping consultant". It has to do with making an assertion that you cannot back up. The fact of the matter is that Wal-Mart carries the same stuff that any other store carries, made in China or not. So to single them out for this alleagion is totally and utterly stupid.

73 posted on 06/18/2003 5:27:16 PM PDT by TomB
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