Americans owe Confederate history respect

Columbia Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Chris Edwards

[stainlessbanner]

We don't know what we'd be like if we lived back then.

That's some food for thought. I'm pretty sure I would stand with my brothers, protect my family, my home, and my community. Remember the captured Reb who, when asked by the Yank, "What are you fighting for?" replied "'Cause ya'll are down here!"

History is a part of us individually and collectively.

[Fraulein]

ping

[Graewoulf]

I agree. Each age has its PC values, and in America there is a long tradition of blending in with the PC crowd of the age.

To stand out in the crowd is abhorrent to most Americans during any age. For example, in our American Revolution, only 20 percent of the population opposed Britian.

History records what was done, or not done. It is up to each of us to honestly review history frequently, and thus learn more about ourselves during this age.

[billbears]

During the postwar period, ex-Confederates overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party. This party, led in Missouri by Rep. Dick Gephardt and Gov. Bob Holden, has chosen to turn its back on its fallen sons.

Sad indeed. There was a day, not so many decades ago that Democrats were the conservatives down here and Republicans were the liberals. Of course we're not supposed to point that out I guess......

[azhenfud]

Whether we like it or not, NS, OJ was branded with just what the court found him guilty of. Nothing more, nothing less. If we call him a "murderer", despite your or my personal convictions either way, we'd best be willing and able to prove the allegations under oath.

[azhenfud]

"There was a day, not so many decades ago that Democrats were the conservatives down here and Republicans were the liberals."

The line between the two is becoming a smudge again, billbears.

[archy]

And I'll bet you think that OJ really is innocent, too.

I can document that he was found innocent of the charges against him as described and theorized by the prosecutors charged with describing his crime beyond the presence of a reasonable doubt.

That the prosecution chose to come up with an unbelievably flaky postulation of O.J.'s actions and role in the murderous events, and tried to support their fictitious postulation with faked police evidence only reminds us of a greater need for competent and professional prosecutors in the public's service rather than the political hacks and ham sandwich mentalities that surfaced in that case.

-archy-/-

[CJ Wolf]

You cite battles, I cite the war. The south lost the war. Matter of fact the south surrendered like the French.

The comparision to the iraqis and the nazis was made because like the south they are losers not because of the ideolog behind them. Also make no mistake I would never seek to ban your beloved loser flag.

[CJ Wolf]

"How can you even think there is a similarity between Nazis, Baathists, and the CSA?"

Similarity I am refering to is the fact that they lost the wars they were fighting. Is that not a fact?

[SCDogPapa]

History is a part of us individually and collectively.

Excellant point there Stainless.

[betty boop]

Ulysses S. Grant threatened to "throw down his sword" if he thought he was fighting to end slavery.

I understand Mrs. Grant owned a slave or two.

It's been said that the victors get to write the history. I guess it's true. Still, I deplore the hypocrisy and revisionism of the "standard" treatment of this crucial period in American history. Few people today seem to be aware that it marked the beginning of the apparently irreversible downhill slide of the Republic, and its replacement by the strong centralized state, with all the trappings of so-called "pure democracy".

Great post, stainlessbanner. Thanks!

[SCDogPapa]

You will notice there is only 1 post here. I am at home on my computer now. That damn triple post problem must be something in the computer at work or in the computer system at work. Go figure. :)

[Polybius]

...the confederate flag is unwanted and a disgrace simply because it represents a bunch of losers. ....CJ Wolf

Is that your opinion about the Alamo, Wake Island and the "Battlin' Bastards" of Bataan? Is that your opinion about the Union Army of the Potomac at Bull Run, the Seven Days Battles, Second Manassas, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville and Cold Harbor?......Polybius

You cite battles, I cite the war. The south lost the war.....CJ Wolf

Ummmm.......O.K.

So your criteria is not winning battles but "losing the war". I will rephrase my question:

Is that your opinion about Vietnam War veterans?

Matter of fact the south surrendered like the French.

The Germans took from May 10 - June 22, 1940 to mount a major invasion of France and force a French surrender.

Union forces took from July 21, 1861 to April 9, 1865 to mount a major invasion of Virginia and force a Confederate surrender.

[tet68]

I think your confusing the fourth group with the fifth column, the racebaiting political activists of the left.

[stainlessbanner]

I just thought you had the rapid fire keyboard!

[CJ Wolf]

"Is that your opinion about Vietnam War veterans?"

Nice bait... They don't fly the South Vietnam flag in Vietnam, so it would be an accurate comparision. South Vietnam lost and we fought on the loosing side. That is fact.

I would like to say that one of the differences between Vietnam and the War Between the States is that the USA didn't fall nor surrender to North Vietnam, unlike the CSA. We agreed to a ceasefire and pulled out of Vietnam. Which was wise and allowed us to regroup and fight another day. After we left Vietnam we continued to fight global communism in various ways. In that fight, Vietnam can be seen as a battle in a bigger war, a lost battle but one in which we will undoubtable win in time. As such I believe our vietnam vets are honorable men, the south vietnamese however are the losers in that example, they lost their way of life and ceased to exist as a country.

I find it odd that you find pride in a flag that is/was in direct opposition to the Stars and Stripes and this country all the while advocating and glorifying rebellion and the mistakes of your ancestors.

Here is an experiment for you, try putting the wars we fought in order and tell me which of the other loser flags you would want fly. Perhaps you had ancestors fighting for the British against the Colonials too! You could identify with them and put the union jack flag up next to your loser CSA flag.

This flag is kind of cute, made it easy for them to turn it into a surrender flag.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Yes they did

[Leatherneck_MT]

I'll bet you think you're smart too.

In spite of all the evidence to the contrary

[Leatherneck_MT]

Linkoln was under his oath to protect and defend the constitution of the United States. There was/is/neverhasbeen anything in that oath that made him preserve the Union.

The states voted themselves into the union, they had and HAVE every right to vote themselves out.

Even to this day

[tuna_battle_slight_return]

Question: Has anyone seen Ken Burns' "Civil War"?. Is this a good starting point to learn more about the Civil War or is Ken Burns PBS liberal propaganda? I just want to learn the truth; no B.S.