Americans owe Confederate history respect

Columbia Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Chris Edwards

[Snerfling]

break up their government, and thus practically put an end to free government upon the earth

In other words, you can't quit and take your ball with you.

On another note, my appreciation for Licoln's understanding and eloquence continues to grow. We were in DC a few weeks ago and stopped by the memorial. Amongst the typical groups of students, the kids were mocking the "Four score ..."

As a kid, you're subject to teachers constantly haranging about the importance of the great men in our republic. It's only as you get older, and maybe even end up in a communications role, that you really begin to realize the level Jefferson, Lincoln, et al were operating.

[Grand Old Partisan]

My favorite quote about Lincoln is from the telegram from the 1860 Republican National Convention informing him of his nomination:

"To Abraham Lincoln. You are nominated. Glory to God."


My favorite Lincoln quote is:

"I, Abraham Lincon, do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."


My favorite Lincoln story is when he visited Richmond at the end of the Civil War:

Recognizing him, black people knelt down before Lincoln expressing their gratitude, but the President said: "No, you must not kneel to me, but to your Father in heaven, and thank him for the freedom you will hereafter enjoy. And old black man then removed his hat and bowed to the President. Abraham Lincoln then removed his own hat and bowed in return.

[ought-six]

"Stonewall Jackson stated many, many times how much he hated the Union soldiers. And as for Robert Lee, U.S. troops killed at his command would have been thrilled to know that he was not hateful."

I guess you would have great love and affection towards armed forces attacking your home and your loved ones. Yep, you are indeed a true warm-and-fuzzy, touchy-feely liberal. Turn the other cheek, hand over your daughter to the rapine hordes: that appears to be you in a nutshell. As for your comment about Robert E. Lee, of course Lee ordered his troops to fight -- and yes, to kill -- the enemy: he was, after all, fighting a war; and warriors do kill their enemies, unlike liberals like you, who want to nuzzle their enemies' ears and whisper sweet nothings. I could turn your comment around and say the same thing about Grant, and Sherman, and the like. But that would be climbing down to your level of fallacious reasoning, and that is somewhere I just won't go. Good day, Sir.

[Grand Old Partisan]

The rebels started the war, and the U.S. Army and Navy finished it.

[Grand Old Partisan]

One of my favorite Civil War-era quotes is from the chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee in July 1861:

“If their whole country be made a desert, in order to save this Union, so let it be! There will be no bargaining, there will be no negotiations, there will be no truces with the rebels until every man shall have laid down his arms, disbanded his organization, submitted himself to the Government, and sued for mercy.”

Fierce, yes, but no more so than Abraham Lincoln’s resolve in his second inaugural address: “Yet, if God will that [the Civil War] continue, until all the wealth piled up by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with a sword, as it was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”

Amen

[bk1000]

You don't have to humor me. You don't have to be an a$$ about it either. I'll be proud of my ancestors, who fought not only during the war of northern agression on the side of the CSA, but also in the American Revolution (yes, on the 'rebel' side then as well.) Spew on!

[Grand Old Partisan]

This message is in response to a post from Whiskeypapa.

[bk1000]

sorry...

[mac_truck]

I expect it from Walt and mac_truck,...

[GOPcapitalist]

Strange. Guess it's still true:

mac_truck => as in hit by one.

[GOPcapitalist]

One of my favorite Civil War-era quotes is from the chairman of the House Ways & Means Committee in July 1861: “If their whole country be made a desert, in order to save this Union, so let it be! There will be no bargaining, there will be no negotiations, there will be no truces with the rebels until every man shall have laid down his arms, disbanded his organization, submitted himself to the Government, and sued for mercy.”

Ah, yes. The vile Thaddeus Stevens. Now we know why you left off his name. I think it was one of his colleagues who remarked upon Stevens' death that the Republican party had finally been emancipated. Truer words were never spoken in that day.

So which anonymous sleazebag are you gonna quote next, Partisan? Ingersoll? Sumner? Blaine? I understand though - if those types were all I had, I wouldn't be very proud of displaying their names either.

Fierce, yes, but no more so than Abraham Lincoln’s resolve in his second inaugural address: “Yet, if God will that [the Civil War] continue, until all the wealth piled up by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with a sword, as it was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether.”

So in other words, Lincoln was blaming God for his own war. I believe in saner circles that is known as blasphemy.

[Grand Old Partisan]

So you believe Abraham Lincoln was insane -- an insight into your own grip on sanity.

Thaddeus Stevens, the villian of the pro-Ku Klux Klan movie "Birth of a Nation" and the object of your scorn, was the greatest Republican who ever lived. When he lay in state at the U.S. Capitol, his coffin was attended by an honor guard of black Union Army veterans. Over 20,000 people -- have being emancipated slaves -- attended his funeral. The entire service consisted of this eulogy:

"God give to Vermont another son; Lancaster, another citizen; Pennsylvania, another statesman; the country, another patriot; the poor, another friend; the freedmen, another benefactor; the race, another advocate; and the world, another man like Thaddeus Stevens."

Amen

[WhiskeyPapa]

So in other words, Lincoln was blaming God for his own war.

You should try and familiarize yourself with the whole speech.

"The Almighty has his own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!" If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South, this terrible war, as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him?"

Lincoln doesn't claim what you suggest.

Walt

[Non-Sequitur]

During the campaign in Pennsylvania in 1863, Jubal Early sent men to the iron foundry owned by Stephens. They burned the property, seized what materials were on hand that he could make use of, and for good measure his men looted the homes of the foundry workers.

[GOPcapitalist]

So you believe Abraham Lincoln was insane

Not at all. But as I said previously, those who venerate his blasphemy are of questionable sanity.

Thaddeus Stevens, the villian of the pro-Ku Klux Klan movie "Birth of a Nation" and the object of your scorn, was the greatest Republican who ever lived.

And you question my "own grip on sanity." Stevens was a scumbag, just like Sumner, Ingersoll, Blaine, Grant and the rest of their ilk. They were corrupt sleazy self serving politicians who defined an era of corruption, robber barons, and government predicated on the acquisition of power. To venerate them is an act as repulsive, if not more so, as claiming Bill Clinton to be a "statesman."

[GOPcapitalist]

Lincoln doesn't claim what you suggest

Sure he does. The cut n paste you provide sets him up to do exactly that.

[Grand Old Partisan]

After the rebels burned down his foundry, wiping him out financially, Thaddesus Stevens received $100,000 in private donations as reimbursement. Stevens donated the money to charity, saying "We must all expect to suffer by this wicked war."

[Grand Old Partisan]

Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural, described by Frederick Douglass as "a sacred effort", is one of the finest speeches in American history. Your criticism of it rules out any question about whether you are sane.

[GOPcapitalist]

Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural, described by Frederick Douglass as "a sacred effort", is one of the finest speeches in American history.

What matters to me of Lincoln's speech is not the standard of Frederick Douglass but rather the standard of God. Blaming God for a war that you yourself created is an act of blasphemy. Lincoln did that therefore Lincoln is a blasphemer.

[colorado tanker]

Even though my ancestors fought for the Union, I do honor the courage and sacrifice of the C.S.A. The recent pressure by the P.C. crowd to demonize the southern cause is wrong. On the other hand, the efforts of neo-cons to claim slavery had nothing to do with the secessions after Lincoln's election ignores history and the facts. After the Mexican War the extension of slavery to the territories dominated politics because everyone understood the ultimate fate of slavery was implicated.