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If Secession Was Illegal - then How Come...?
The Patriotist ^
| 2003
| Al Benson, Jr.
Posted on 06/12/2003 5:58:28 AM PDT by Aurelius
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To: Tribune7
"But the South did fire on Fort Sumter, and in their infinite wisdom, manage to start a war."They could have been smarter, but Lincoln maneuvered them into it. He would have had his war in any case; it just would have been preferable had responsibility lain plainly with him.
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:21:16 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Grand Old Partisan
FYI
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:26:44 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Aurelius
The war was fought so that 50-80 years later there would be a economic and military power house to counter balance the Isms of Europe(Nazism, communism). (and to help Israel back into being). Only a strong federal union with a large population of morally directed people could be that buffer between a semblance of international order and total chaos and barbarity!
It was also about freedom for blacks sure enough but more than that, it was God, seeing beyond the page of time. Had the United States remained divided, and had everything else remained the same in Europe(the same trends towards philosophical and scientific secularism), history would have been decidedly different. There would be no Jews or Christians left alive, and the world early would be brutally maimed by the competing isms; the competing Isms would have been the most barbaric(like choosing caustic poison or slow painful garroting as you form of death) in terms of their governments and there would be no freedoms. Nuclear suicide would have been the result. Look at what the Civil War really saved us from(or at least forestalled)and you begin to see where God is truly active in the affairs of man. Look at the big picture of the resulting history after the war and you see God still on his throne.("man proposes but God disposes...")
Another example...what end of trouble would the Isrealites have had if the flower of Egyptian military might and Pharoah(even had they escaped to the promised Land)had not been destroyed in the sea. It would be about 700 years before EGYPT WOULD BE A THREAT AGAIN but every-one was afraid of the Babylonians by then!
What great wonders is God cooking up for the future starting with trends in our own era...hmmmm?
To: azhenfud
I would point out that it was the author of the POS that linked the conviction of Davis with declaring secession illegal. His statement is wrong, the Supreme Court did declare secession illegal. And the fact that you disagree with their decision is meaningless. The Supreme Court decision is valid and secession is illegal.
To: Aurelius
I can't read Mr. Benson's mind but I would assume that he considered it irrelevent. You may assume all you want, but the fact is that the Supreme Court did determine that secession as practiced by the southern states was illegal, and it managed to do that while not trying and convicting Davis of anything. And since you're assuming for him then how did he come to the conclusion that the legality or illegality of secession was dependent on Jefferson Davis being tried in the first place?
To: Non-Sequitur
"And since you're assuming for him then how did he come to the conclusion that the legality or illegality of secession was dependent on Jefferson Davis being tried in the first place?"Two non sequiturs in one sentence, Non-Sequitur?
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:38:24 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Aurelius
Well that was as enjoyable as always. Sorry to bother you.
To: Poohbah
The call for reparations is frequently (and, IMNHO, rightly) met on Free Republic with a response of "it took place almost 150 years ago, get over it." There's a huge difference between "getting over it" and "forgetting it."
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:43:08 AM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(http://wardsmythe.crimsonblog.com)
To: bert
What mechanism exists to eliminate a state from the union? Are we stuck with the NE states for ever?
There was a great deal of serious discussion of seccession in New England during the War of 1812, as the war was hated in those states because it completely destroyed the seaborne trade of the US; support for the war was entirely from inland states that wanted to conquer Canada.
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:43:51 AM PDT
by
John H K
To: sheltonmac
So what is your position on portions of states that secede that are anti-seccession seceding from the state they are in (West Virginia) or the potential for that in, say, Eastern Tennessee?
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:45:36 AM PDT
by
John H K
To: southland
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:53:13 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Non-Sequitur
You and I have hashed over the case of Texas v. White on several occassions and been unable to come to any agreement. I don't see how it has any relevence whatever to the present post which deals with happenings prior to 1869.
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posted on
06/12/2003 9:56:50 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Corin Stormhands
Let me know when you actually start "getting over it," will ya?
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:10:39 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
To: Poohbah
That'll be purty much as soon as y'all stop tellin' me to fergit it.
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:19:32 AM PDT
by
Corin Stormhands
(http://wardsmythe.crimsonblog.com)
To: John H K
There was a great deal of serious discussion of seccession in New England during the War of 1812, as the war was hated in those states because it completely destroyed the seaborne trade of the US; support for the war was entirely from inland states that wanted to conquer Canada.And John Calhoun was most noisily against secession--but suddenly flip-flopped when it suited him.
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:24:33 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(I must be all here, because I'm not all there!)
To: Aurelius
Good post!!!
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:56:29 AM PDT
by
SCDogPapa
(In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
To: Aurelius
Good post!!!
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:56:30 AM PDT
by
SCDogPapa
(In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
To: Aurelius
Good post!!!
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posted on
06/12/2003 10:56:31 AM PDT
by
SCDogPapa
(In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
To: SCDogPapa
Thanks
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posted on
06/12/2003 11:02:08 AM PDT
by
Aurelius
To: Aurelius
"FYI"
Thanks!
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posted on
06/12/2003 11:21:01 AM PDT
by
Grand Old Partisan
(You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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